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Whatever. Sure. And they're pitfalls that are happening in churches today. Which historicists will say is not the case, that we have passed those times, and what is being spoken of is no longer the case. Which you can look around and know that it surely is still the case. I would disagree...

Yeah whatever. Fine. Don't care, doesn't make any difference to me one way or the other, just saying I wasn't sure. But eeeeeeeverything is an issue with you, SI; I get that and have for a long time, now... and I'm sure I'm not the only one who does... Nothing, except I thing you're missing...

I think you and SI are kind of talking past each other, claninja. Which is very often the case with him (or her... not sure about that...), and on this board in general. He or she seems to be missing your point, whether purposefully or not. And that's not necessarily a knock on anybody, it...

Okay, fine, but a futurist is one who thinks none of what is in Revelation has happened or been fulfilled at all. And I could be wrong, for sure, but I don't think he's that. I think where he stands is, everything in Revelation is in the process of being accomplished, which is good, actually...

I think @Davy is holds to the historicist view of Revelation, @covenantee. Which is wrong, too, but I don't think he's would be properly categorized as a futurist. Grace and peace to you.

Ohhhh, I understand very well your... "understanding." Yes, the throne of His glory (bolded) is far, far greater than your very.... earthly... understanding of His throne in comparison to David's throne. That's the issue here, in addition, I think, to what you think is meant by "throne."...

Nobody's using anything as any kind of "excuse" for anything. Right, and the issue here is what is meant by that throne, which I was very clear about in my previous post. In a certain sense, yes... <chuckles> But not the one that you insist on. <eyeroll> I could surely say the same thing of...

Right, agreed… There is no earthly ~ worldly ~ throne, Davy; as Jesus told Pilate, His kingdom is not of this world. And that throne is a place of power over Israel, which: David, as firstborn over Israel (Psalm 89), held in the lesser sense in His day Jesus, the greater David, the firstborn...

I'll answer this: In one sense yes, but in another, not yet. This simultaneous now-and-not-yet can be applied to many different things... it is a rich theme of the New Testament. It's okay with me, of course, either way, but do you agree with this, David? Or not? Grace and peace to you, David.

That's one of the first interations of it, yes. Grace and peace to you.

SI turns every discussion into... a battle of epic proportion, Covenantee. <chuckles> You've been around enough to know this. Well, I would agree in the sense that we need to ~ and we can if we look into it just a bit ~ know what the Thessalonians chief concerns were that Paul was speaking...

Okay, fair enough. I would just say that those who are not of God are of their father the devil, and their will is to do his will, as Jesus says in John 6, explicitly in John 8, and John 10. Antichrists, as John speaks of them in 1 John 2. I say this as if it is no big deal or something, but...

Well, he wasn't. There's no "per se" to it, really. But he was "a devil," in the same sense as Judas was in the words of Jesus. And an "antichrist" as John speaks of them in 1 John 2. As you and I both know, those who are not born again and thus of God are of their father the devil, and...

I gave it the answer it deserved. It was non sequitur. And a defense mechanism of some sort on your part, I guess. And just more of what I was talking about a couple of posts ago. Grace and peace to you.

Same to you, William. Same to you. Indeed. Grace and peace to you.

We all do. We will all be judged according to what we have done. Again, many will be on Christ's right, and many on His left... We've talked about this before. I get it; you think all the events of Revelation 19 happen before all the events of Revelation 20, and that's... not the case. The...

Well no... <chuckles> Right... Yes... and we'll remain here when the fullness of God's eternal kingdom is ushered in... No. Not at all. Quite the opposite. <smile> So you... want to go and experience God's wrath and vengeance for yourself? Hmmmm... <smile> Grace and peace to you, Behold.

<eye roll> Grace and peace to you, WPM.

I’m well aware of where it is. But i disagree, and strongly so, obviously, regarding to whom it is directed. And explicitly so, yes. Tyre became a symbol of pride, wealth, and arrogance in the prophetic books, and we see that here. Tyre here symbolizes human pride, self-sufficiency, and...

This seems like an immediately contradictory statement in and of itself. Sudden destruction comes upon Satan and his minions but does not destroy him yet? I mean... okay... not going to argue, but yeah, self-contradictory it is... Ugh. <smile> The end of the "thousand years" is what prompts...