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That's so not what I said or implied. All I was saying in that ~ to @TribulationSigns and not you or anybody else ~ is that really, what his opinion on these things is doesn't really matter to me one way or the other... and that I am just a bit curious what he would say, so in that sense I do...

<eye roll> Wow. Yeah. I mean... dude. I think some posters on here need to get a life. <smile> Yeah, I'm headed to the golf course. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

No need for me, personally, but I just wanted you to explicitly state your position. Without somebody else putting words in your mouth. Oooo....kaaaaayyyy... but you don't actually "den(y) the existence of ...the devil (Satan)" and you don't "den(y) that Adam and Eve... were tempted by...

What are your beliefs about the devil, @TribulationSigns ? Set the record straight. <smile> You know, instead of having words put in your mouth, which nobody likes? <chuckles> Grace and peace.

Okay, whatever. Happy fighting. <smile> Grace and peace to you.

LOL! No.... but certainly think what you want... Yes, and why would we be told that, Jay? So you're kind of making my point for me... <smile> Yes. But there is much... oh, misdirection <chuckles> ...out there on that... <smile> I don't mean intentional misdirection, but... <smile> Hmmm...

Well, it is what it is, and a very misunderstood concept, as I said. I'm not sure where... somebody... is getting 'entombed' out of that, but whatever. Sure. Never said otherwise. It will happen at the end of this "thousand years," God's "millennium" of Revelation 20:1-6. Grace and peace to...

Okay, fine. Whatever. No, not in the sense that Cain was Satan himself. Of course not. But... <chuckles> Ohhhhh, you'll love this... and you might even agree, but no matter either way... in the same sense of what Jesus said of Judas in John 6:70, yes. And I'm pretty sure he meant it in...

We who are in Christ wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who will sustain us to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. Right, we are "not appointed unto the day of wrath," which is to say we will not experience it, or be subjected to it. But it is surely not to...

Hmmm, yes, but I say the "sudden destruction" will come upon Satan at the time of Christ's coming, and then upon the deceived and wicked upon the final Judgment. And the suddenness will be in the sense that, well, as in Noah's day, the "deceived and wicked," "...in those days before the flood...

I am, but that's a... problematic <smile> ...way of putting it. We were born in sin ~ in the flesh, which does not mean just that we were physical beings, but that we were born sinful ~ just like David and all the rest of humanity and were thus children of wrath (Ephesians 2:1-3) in our natural...

This was not addressed to me, but I'm speaking to this anyway... <smile> So, okay. No, not exactly. <smile> How can there be a lake, which is a body of water, made up of fire? On its face, if taken absolutely, woodenly literally, those two things cannot co-exist or be the same thing...

Well, yes, it will certainly be rebuilt, and God, it's Designer and Builder, is doing that right now. As the writer of Hebrews says, even Abraham "was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God" (11:10). We, rebuilder, we who are in Christ, are...

Only sometimes. Mostly they prophesy about the present, about very present issues and things. Now, they will also apply and will be applicable to folks future to them, but still, mostly about present things... ever-present things in this world in that sense. Grace and peace to you, David.

@TribulationSigns is right, @WPM. No, Cain is not the devil... <smile> ...and I'm, uh, pretty surrrrrre... <chuckles> ...TS is not postulating or asserting that... The origin of evil we cannot know. One thing we do know, because John tells us in John 1:2-3, is that Jesus "was in the beginning...

It's not about "impeding the Gospel Salvation message"... that is what he is absolutely unable to do... bound and sealed from doing. Now, how does he "exert influence on the outside world?" Well, we are warned about and encouraged in resisting it in various ways all through the New Testament...

Well, in your opinion, sure. <smile> And in a certain way, this is true of all of us, you included. Ohhhhh, boy. <smile> Sure. Agree in principle, yes. <smile> I really like your use of the word 'this' here... <smile> Grace and peace to you.

Incapacitated in a certain sense, yes, from... I mean you know the verse in Revelation 20. But it's that sense which is the matter of disagreement. As I have said, we can draw an analogy to a prisoner who has been incarcerated... and in a locked cell, of course... <smile> and is shut off...

Well, it is literal, but just not in the... wooden sense that they understand that literalness. Well aware. I don't think "most premills" understand that, exactly, that he has a physical body. It's just about the nature of the binding, the extent of it, really... complete incapacitation, like...

First let me say, Davy, that at least to this point, I appreciate your conversational tone. Again, at least to this point, it's different than what it has been at times in the past, and different from recent conversations I've had with some other posters here... <smile> Anyway... Agree...