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  1. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Actually, it is true. People tell you you have the Holy Ghost without you or them having any type of evidence that you have received it. Some people will believe anything. I really would rather know with evidence that I have it then to be told, I have it and not have it. Isaiah said that they...
  2. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Indeed, they are the same as chapter 12. They are not the same as chapter 14 though. Unknown tongues is the evidence to a person that they have received the Holy Spirit. It is also evidence to those around them that they have the Holy Spirit. Known tongues is an evangelistic tool that comes with...
  3. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    You are correct. He does not understand the difference between unknown tongues as evidence from known tongues as various known languages. He thinks tongues is tongues.
  4. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    If I may, those particular 120 were gifted in one of the 9 gifts of the Spirit immediately. Driver's kinds of tongues per 1 Cor 12. Precisely what God needed for them to kick off the new church.
  5. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    That has nothing to do with speaking in tongues. Nor does it have to do with praying with your human spirit as your understanding is unfruitful.
  6. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Yes, I have been practicing this concept for decades. It is the Holy Spirit using my human spirit to pray things that I cannot utter in my carnal thinking.
  7. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    There is something called praying with the human spirit by the assistance of the Holy Spirit. Two different spirits. A human spirit enabled by the Holy Spirit.
  8. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Speaking in unknown tongues is praying WITH the human spirit. If a person doesn’t practice unknown tongues, they don’t pray with the human spirit( with groanings that cannot be uttered). It is human reasoning prayer only.
  9. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    According to first Corinthians 14, praying in the spirit is praying in tongues. He says I pray with the spirit and I pray with understanding also. It’s pretty easy to understand what he’s saying.
  10. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Like I am saying in the statement, we pray this way... 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:,,, If you only pray with understanding, you are...
  11. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    I am talking about praying in the spirit. Praying coming from the inner man. It is not from your carnal thinking. Paul did not pray to sinners, but to God. Neither do we. I think you got your wires crossed respectfully.
  12. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    What I mean by praying with the spirit in tongues and also in chapter 14, it says singing in tongues with the spirit. Is speaking of your human spirit praying but you’re understanding being unfruitful. Our understanding is our carnal thinking. There is an inner man that is spiritual that prays...
  13. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    So, if we don't speak with tongues, we don't speak with the spirit to God, but only with the carnal mind.
  14. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Per 1 Cor 12, correct. Per chapter 14, incorrect.
  15. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Yes I did. I don’t challenge tongues but insist on them
  16. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Chapter 12 indicates that divers kinds of tongues is of the nine gifts of the spirit. Chapter 14 teaches that unknown tongues is an example of one having the Holy Ghost. It is not one of the nine gifts, but an essential part of understanding that you have the Holy Ghost. Paul says at the end of...
  17. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    According to the book of Acts, tongues was the official evidence. I defer to evidence for the Holy Ghost infilling
  18. Truther

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    The term is used in known languages or unknown languages. In 1 Cor 12, Paul calls known languages divers kinds of tongues. In chapter 14 he calls them unknown tongues. Both are supernatural but differing from each other