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Will it be that way in the New Heavens and Earth? The argument was between this creation after the Second Coming, or the next creation, after the Millennial Kingdom. You seem to think this River of Life on earth already happened symbolically, and prior to the birth of Christ, with this red...

You missed my point. Believers would be overcome physically, not spiritually. Are you saying none of the martyred, were part of the church, as believers? The gates of hell overcome many believers physically. They are called martyrs. This is not a true or false interpretation...

So when it does happen again, no one has to obey the Scriptures, because it already happened once?

Both of your views are unorthodox. You have the 490 days in the first century. The other poster has the 490 days in the future. Jesus did not set up a throne on earth: "anoint the most Holy". "Messiah the Prince" There was no Holy place to: "cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease...

The little horn was after the first 10 Ceasars; not just where people want him to be. No one ever got the little horn right, since it took place. Why should we, hundreds of years later, with only the historical record?

No, because there was only one group that covered all of time. Every one since Abel were overcomers, even though physically killed, or just physically died.

Well they were physically overcome, not spiritually overcome. They were spiritual overcomers, not by human strength, but the spiritual blood of the Lamb. So yes, and no. There is the difference between the physical and spiritual viewpoint. Now if they physically killed Satan, and then...

You are making stuff up here. The ten toes does not become something they are not. That is your opinion, not Scripture. "And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken." This verse does not say 10 kings will make...

In Daniel 7, there is no antichrist mentioned, unless there was one prior to the birth of Christ. Obviously there has not been one (as you all depict) historically since the first century. The birth of Christ could fulfill Daniel 7. Jesus has been sitting on His heavenly throne since...

The horns refer to individuals. The seperate heads refer to world powers. Nebuchadnezzar was never called a horn, but was the head, not his kingdom. Daniel 2:37-39 "Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. And...

So there is a 70th week to go with those 69 weeks. Why deny there is a 70th week? There are 70 weeks total. If Daniel only addresses 69 of them that leaves that last week, to be addressed. The 70th week is Jesus, Himself.

Referring to Satan.

What man? There are no verses that declare he is a human. You have to prove that Scripture makes that claim. No verse declares a negative. You are arguing from a human theory, not Scripture. Is the dragon a human, and if not who are the 7 heads? Satan is one of the heads, because Satan is...

There is no 8 when it comes to 7. The 7th world wide kingdom is that of Jesus Christ per Revelation 11:15. "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for...

I assume you also disregard the Scripture that says 69 weeks, as well?

So did King Herod in the first century, kill a lot of Jews. What is your exact counterpoint? For one thing, you both are wrong, that there is a human AC. Satan is the king of Israel, and the entire world, not some human. It will be Satan out front and visible, controlling the entire world...

Satan is the "Antichrist", and has been at work since Adam and Eve in the Garden. The "spirit of" has been plaguing mankind since then, not just in the first century. The last 2000 years have been the last days, as the Garden was in the first days of mankind. So the Antichrist is Satan...

I have. You must have overlooked them.

Jude does not say they came to the earth. You are adding human opinion to your interpretation of Scripture.

No, the symbolism is Jesus walking among the candlesticks. "These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;" "And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks...