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  1. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    You may as well apply the prophecy to Jesus on the Cross, as Jesus is the church, both the Jewish and Gentile congregations.
  2. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The term "individual" is not metaphor meaning church. Had John seen two churches laying dead in a metaphorical city, he would not have used the term individual, but messenger or angel, or candlestick. You all have too many metaphors and not enough practical application in your...
  3. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Why would the disciples flee Jerusalem the day of the Cross? The Cross was God's ultimate accomplishment, and you turn the Cross into Satan's abomination. That is messed up theology. You have fallen into catholic lies, that it was Satan who planned the Cross from the foundation of the...
  4. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The angels left when Adam was kicked out of the Garden. That was a thousand years before Noah was born. They did not make it to earth but were bound in chains of darkness, immediately. No stars/angels came to earth and lived. Where in Revelation do angels come and have relationships with...
  5. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    People being thrown into the Lake of Fire can only happen after the Second Coming has happened. The abomination of desolation only happens after the Second Coming. You still only have that one last generation that does not completely end until that point in time. If we have a person today...
  6. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    You are the one misunderstanding. "Not fleeing until 70AD", was not my point. "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: ) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the...
  7. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Because Jerusalem is still a city, and can still be destroyed.
  8. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    No, that is not what I am saying. I said you make the Scripture say what it does not. Then either you or the Scripture are turned into contradiction, and only make sense to you for an unrelated point. You claim the 3 passages are parallel, thus have to be talking about the same event, but...
  9. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Then, this means none of the generation in question lived in the first century. The Olivet Discourse will only be all the way fulfilled at the Second Coming, that is still future. Your generation may all pass away before the Olivet Discourse is fulfilled. So any generation that lived a...
  10. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    In Genesis 1 the firmament was a fixed place. What does floating have to do with Genesis 1? All sons of God are currently in the firmament somewhere. So not just "angels floating up there", as you put it.
  11. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Josephus did not believe such nonsense. You are putting thoughts into the mind of a first century human, that he never wrote down. Those thoughts may have been in the footnotes of an English translation from 20th century interpretation of Josephus. Certainly many believe that today. The...
  12. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    This point proves nothing. You assume Revelation 20 does not chronologically follow 19. Then you go to a chapter that every one knows is not chronological, at least not when it comes to binding Satan. Is Satan bound when the False Prophet and beast are cast into the Lake of Fire, or not...
  13. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    There is no finality in the text, at the Second Coming. You have to add that thought onto Scripture.
  14. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    This is not accurate of Josephus' account. The fleeing was 3.5 years earlier in 66AD. When the Romans had come and left. There was a campaign and all walled towns in Palestine were destroyed one by one, until Jerusalem was left. There was no fleeing in 70AD. In fact, the Romans let...
  15. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    So you are saying that Jerusalem can never be destroyed the 3rd time, even though it has been destroyed a few times in history? That is not making Scripture say anything. That is just applying Scripture to several events. Are you making Scripture say Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD? What if...
  16. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Satan lost his position. So, no, he is not just hanging out up there.
  17. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Jesus never called the Roman soldiers the AoD. You did, and you are wrong.
  18. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    That verse does not say your spirit is in you, nor controlled in a tangible way by your soul. Your spirit is not your mind nor your heart. You are spiritually dead, so seperated from your spirit, just like you would be physically dead seperated from your body. Your spirit is not dead, but...
  19. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Where in Scripture does it state the redeemed are dead on the earth, for the last 2 thousand years? 2 Corinthians 5:1 explicitly states that when the union with this body of death is over, the union with God's permanent incorruptible physical body starts. There is no waiting in death, post the...
  20. Timtofly

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The answer does not say: "when they will be avenged". "until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled" "Killed as they were" means removed from their dead flesh and redeemed. This is not talking about martyrdom. This is the final...