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  1. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    That is not what is written. Jesus will come again, and then comes the end after the reign is accomplished and creation is returned to God, no longer in existence. Paul never states the second coming is the end of existence as we currently know it.
  2. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Paul never said at the same time. The order started at the Cross, with the OT redeemed being made alive. Do you deny the resurrection of Matthew 27? Jesus did not need to be made spiritually alive. Paul indicated 2 types of events. Being made alive is not just a physical resurrection...
  3. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    That does not mean every one is saved. It means they can be saved if they chose salvation. Being made for a purpose is not the same as election. We are not born to be elected. We are elected because we were born. God has the freedom to pardon all, even if they reject that pardon.
  4. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    There is no procreation in heaven. Those verses are not talking about any thousand year period on earth. There will be birth and generations in the millennium. See Isaiah 65. Isaiah 65 is not talking about heaven. People already live and reign in heaven in the world to come. That has...
  5. Timtofly

    Scripture Revelation That Many Throw Out About the Future 1,000 Years Reign by Christ

    Which is all who are physically born, until their name is blotted out. The elect includes all of Adam and Eve's offspring. The redeemed are Jesus' offspring. The Lamb was the propitiation for the entire world, not just a select few. It is both our choice and God's choice to be redeemed...
  6. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    That is what human theology teaches, and is not from Scripture. There is no verse that claims we must wait until some future event. You all don't believe like Martha. Jesus said you would never die. If you are never going to die, how can you be resurrected? John 11:25-26 "Jesus said unto...
  7. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No, you are placing humans into the position of describing the reign of Christ. Jesus had human form when he talked to Abraham and ate human food. That was the post Resurrection Jesus, that always existed post the Cross, because Jesus is God, and always existed in time with a post...
  8. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Heavenly Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem of the next creation. This creation is still in effect. You obviously do not think there is a future new creation after this one ends, and you must not think this creation will ever end. You are conflating two separate issues. Revelation 21...
  9. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Those alive on the earth that change from dead flesh to God's flesh, is a resurrection? Enoch was translated, not resurrected. No one comes out of the dust until after the thousand years. No verse says those beheaded were buried. No verse says they get the same beheaded body back. The first...
  10. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I understand that you have switched from the end of the millennium (Amil) to the beginning of the millennium (Preterists). Both are wrong, because the millennium has not started. Give one verse from Scripture that the Cross ushered in the thousand years found in Revelation 20. Show me in...
  11. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    All of humanity are God's elect, until they are cast into the LOF. God does currently know every one. No one has been cast into the LOF. How can you say that God currently has lack of knowledge? That verse can not be applied until that point the dead stand before God. Only then can God...
  12. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Does this apply to those currently alive in heaven, or are they physically buried up there as well? No redeemed person will return to the dust to grab that old Adamic physical body. That is the point Satan has deceived the church with for millennia. The time of redemption started at the...
  13. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    They leave sheol. That is a resurrection, not how. Do you think every resurrection mentioned in Scripture is permanent? Those going into the LOF will not be going back to sheol, as it will also be cast into the LOF. If you want to be physically technical, the place they just left is still...
  14. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    How do you know what people a thousand years from now can know? Since they have the Word in the flesh (Jesus Christ) on the earth, why would they have Bibles? Gog will not be a literal physical nation of that name. Satan deceived Eve. Was Eve Gog, and Magog? The term Gog and Magog just...
  15. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Satan's release is not the trigger that states the thousands years are over. The thousand years are over, because that is how time works. You could add a gap of 20 days between the end of the thousand years, and Satan's literal release, since you are making a big deal about gaps. The...
  16. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    The point is not about your "gap theory". The point is they cannot receive the first resurrection during the thousand years. Some will never receive eternal life (first resurrection), ever.
  17. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    SDA teaching is the furthest interpretation from the actual words of Revelation 20. Can you quote from the SDA Bible that changes the actual words to emphasize your point?
  18. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No, because Jesus has been reigning since creation week. So, was the millennium prior to the Flood? The sons of God were ruling and reigning with Christ for thousands of years after creation week. The timing of Revelation 20 is immediately after Revelation 19, but Amil don't seem to...
  19. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Your argument expresses the point: God literally rewards those who are wicked. So wicked Jews are cut off for being disobedient, but then rewarded eventually, just because? You believe this just to avoid a physical death, and physical resurrection?
  20. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    There is no New Jerusalem in this current creation. What thousand year period ended, that ushered in a New Jerusalem spiritually or physically? Are you saying there was no New Jerusalem for a thousand years after the Cross? If there is a physical Jerusalem it is in this physical creation...