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  1. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    This is blatantly wrong, and your added opinion. The wicked dead are not deceived after the thousand years. REALLY? They have been in sheol for a thousand years and you think they were only deceived after the thousand years? What about God were they deceived about after spending a thousand...
  2. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    So you are an universalist claiming every one will eventually get redeemed? Did that already happen in the first century? The fulness of the Gentiles was complete at the beginning of the thousand years. Those beheaded were the last Gentiles as part of the fulness of the Gentiles. Even if this...
  3. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    There is no guarantee the rest of the dead will live again after the thousand years. The guarantee is that they will not live again until the thousand years is over. If creation ceases to exist immediately upon the thousand year mark, then there would be no Satan nor earth to deceive. You...
  4. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    While "Israel" may have been used as a catch all, like the word "Christian", one should refer to one's personal choice as being redeemed. There was only one Israel, and he was called Jacob. His descendants were Israelites. They were born into redemption, until cast off in disbelief. The...
  5. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    It was not the law, but the act of faith, in obedience to God. The OT redeemed were not spiritually alive, whatever that means. They were waiting in Abraham's bosom in faith. Lazarus was the only one spiritually alive, and that was after he was called out of Abraham's bosom. Having a...
  6. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    This is not accurate. No redeemed person is still dead at that point. The OT redeemed are not dead today. The OT redeemed were made alive at the Cross, not 3,000 years after the Cross nor a thousand years after the Second Coming. Did Jesus say in John 11 that people would have to wait...
  7. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Not only that. There is no creation when the dead stand before God. "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." Creation returns to God, per 1 Corinthians 15, before the dead stand before...
  8. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Would you not place a gap between the Cross and the Second Coming? Did Jesus die and come the Second time in a 24 hour day? "But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits (The Cross), afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (The Second Coming) Then cometh the end (The end of...
  9. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Only the lost will be in their graves. Some lost will be allowed to receive eternal life. If you are are in a grave, at that point, you are not even saved. The redeemed are not dead, at that point. You claim the chapter is all about the spiritual. So those are spiritually dead people at...
  10. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No, only the beheaded are raised at that time. The dead in Christ were raised years prior to the beheaded even loosing their heads. You are as bad as Amil lumping the resurrection of the beheaded at the same time as the resurrection at the Cross, and the rapture. Neither the Cross nor the...
  11. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    When did Turkey fight against Syria?
  12. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    They don't have to be buried at all. They could be placed immediately into the LOF. John is not explicit either way. The beast and false prophet are placed in the LOF. Why would their marked followers not receive the same judgment? These people enter the LOF, and as far as we know never...
  13. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Amil overlook the first judgment that happened a thousand years prior to the GWTJ. Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them." Amil, according to your metric, that Scripture does not have to be explicit, should say that Jesus sits in...
  14. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Revelation 20 is not a spiritual event. People literally march across the earth "in protest". Why would God kill people physically for just thinking about a spiritual objection?
  15. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Based on that reasoning, Ezekiel could have been fulfilled, and they missed it. So would you if it happened in your lifetime. You would not understand an OT fulfillment, just like they would not understand Jesus. The only reason you accept the NT is because the church wrote down the events...
  16. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Neither of your options are viable, nor Scriptural. Do you accept that the LOF is even a physical place? You claim the GWT is not even a physical event but symbolic of God's Judgment. There is only one resurrection and it is physical. If the GWT Judgment and the LOF are not physical...
  17. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    No. The redeemed don't stand at the GWT Judgment event. They are not "the dead".
  18. Timtofly

    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    What is with the 2 resurrections? Humans call it birth, not resurrection. Will no one give birth, or be born during this thousand year period? Gog and Magog would be considered the last few generations born in the last few hundred years, at the furthest point from Jerusalem, as after 800...
  19. Timtofly

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    That is an erroneous interpretation of those verses, and John 11:25-26. Only the OT redeemed "fell asleep in death". They waited in Abraham's bosom, and were all resurrected at the Cross. Those redeemed since the Cross do not fall asleep, nor are in death, period, once the soul leaves this...
  20. Timtofly

    Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained

    And you twist that Hebrew word to mean all the dead from all of history. That is not what Daniel wrote. All who are dead at that moment in time. Daniel did not write "all the dead from all time". So "many" does mean "all" at that moment. All the dead that are still dead. Now if you claim...