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Bs"d I'm not putting the blame for messing up the LXX on Christianity, as you can see in my previous post; they take the blame upon themselves. Yes. I'm in mainstream charedi Judaism. That is about the most strict branch there is. All black hats and black suits. No. But when I did my...

Bs"d I have given you proof for ancient rabbis and the Talmud saying that the suffering servant is Israel. It seems you have overlooked these, so I'll give them again: In the Midrash Rabba on Numbers it is clearly written that the suffering servant is Israel. In the Talmud, finished...

Bs"d I'm not saying you are ignorant, but your knowledge is lacking in some subjects, the LXX being one of them. Who wrote the LXX? Well, the first five books are translated by Jews, all the rest; that is anybody's guess. The Hebrew Torah is transmitted by the Jews in an extreme careful...

Bs"d Mabye with you, but not with me. As I explained above, the Talmud is authoritative when it comes to explaining the law. For the rest it is not taken literal.

Bs"d Since most people cannot handle the truth, that might be the case.

Bs"d Nobody is dying for the sins of others in Isaiah 53. Everybody dies for his own sins.

Bs"d In case you didn't know, the Muslims claim that the suffering servant is Muhammed. If you would be talking to a Muslim about the suffering servant, would you then accept as a proof quotes from the Quran that the suffering servant is Muhammed? Of course not. So why do you think that I...

So if anybody is not convinced about the concept of asmachta, and wants to think that the Talmud says that Isaiah 53 speaks about Moses, or a sick person who has a seminal emission, or about the messiah, then he should read the last words again about how to read the stories in the Talmud which...

Bs"d It is clear you cannot come up with any proof from Isaiah that the suffering servant is the messiah, therefore you can only say: "The rabbis said that he is the messiah!" A little strange that a Christian bases his Christian faith upon the rabbis, wouldn't you think so? Anyway, the...

Bs"d You haven't seen those plural masculine pronouns, because the Christian Bible translations conveniently change them to singular. Here are some more reasons why Isaiah 53 cannot speak about your messiah: “Behold, my servant shall act wisely;” You believe this is JC. You believe JC is...

Bs"d If masculine plural pronouns are used, do you then agree that it cannot be a messianic prophecy? Thanks, same to you.

Bs"d Read the Tanach and you'll see that in Biblical times already there were many Jews following the Ba'al and other idols. That of course does not give any credibility to those idols.

Bs"d Hundreds. those "unauthentic messianic prophecies" are texts from the Tanach which have no bearing on the messiah, and are ripped out of context by Christians, and then labeled as "messianic prophecies fulfilled by JC". Examples are Isaiah 7 and 53. In the authentic messianic...

Bs"d Isaiah is from the Tanach. The Tanach is the Hebrew Bible, or what Christians call "the Old Testament". I don't accept proof from the NT.

Bs"d Anything as long as it is from the Tanach, so therefore not: "He fits so nicely with the Christian theology", and not: "The rabbis say so",

Bs"d The above is an abbreviation of the Aramaic expression "ba siata desmaya", and that means: "With the help of heaven". Bs"d That's not the point. The point is that you brought a page which claimed that the concept of Israel as the servant is only a thousand years old, and that has been...

Bs"d You posted this link: Isaiah 53: About the People of Israel or Messiah of Israel? - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry There are some problems with what is written there. It starts with: "Without a doubt, Isaiah 53 is one of the most significant chapters in the Old Testament regarding the...

Bs"d I like a good conversation. Bs"d What it says there is: "For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever." Micah 4:5

Bs"d I guess we're in the same business.

Bs"d I converted to orthodox Judaism. Maybe he is, but we don't know whether he is the messiah or not, until he fulfills the messianic prophecies. We have no other criteria to figure out if he is the messiah or not. Or do we just have to take somebodies word for it?