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  1. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    So, we're back to square one : when you call me "disobedient" (you're saying that because I don't listen to your Church), you're the one being "cut throat"--if I'm "disobedient", I'm "rebellious", which is "unrighteous", and "the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God", so you're saying...
  2. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Nah, not all branches that are in Him remain in Him (Jn 15; 1 Jn 2:28); rather, some people, after having believed, and been forgiven, do not walk in the truth/Spirit of that reality (eg, do not forgive), so, according to Mt 18, the forgiveness is rescinded, inferring the removal/forgetting of...
  3. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    I would really love if you could actually make a case, and persuade me of some truth that I am not aware of. With regard to Galatians 1:6+, no, that doesn't prove your case, because Paul's argument is never "Christ alone", but, as soon as Paul delivers them from bondage to the Law...
  4. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    So says "Sloppy Joe"... but neither you nor your "enemy of my enemy is my friend" Catholic buddy can prove anything.
  5. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    It's interesting that you say that, because, one time, after having spent weeks of fasting, and following the Spirit, preaching on the corner of the street, obeying to the max (well, my max, anyway), God said I was trying to save myself, and what about my sins, and that I couldn't repay Him, but...
  6. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Notwithstanding, it is obvious that your approach has utility and merit. You could make an argument that the focus of our trust ought to be Christ, because the servant who did not keep that in mind also did not walk in accordance with that truth about God's love (but, rather, he was...
  7. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Remember, your gripe was that I quoted "do not add or remove" when referring to Jesus's explanation of why the people were being rejected in Mt 7--you claimed it was because they were doing things their own way, not listening to your Church, and were going through the motions, but Jesus said it...
  8. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Your complaint, based on your assumption that "faith alone" is true, is duly noted. Irrespectively, the Scripture stands : the man who does not WALK in truth/Spirit is rejected, his faith is forgotten, and he has to pay his debts by being tormented, revealing the aspect of God's character of...
  9. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, you did... Not sure why you would try to deny you said I was disobedient, since it is all written down, and I can pull the reference.
  10. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, you objected to my citing "whoever doesn't work doesn't eat" on the basis that it had been written down. Here is where you said it: Moving on to your next objection... Yeah, there is a difference between oral tradition and Scripture--Paul's oral tradition "whoever doesn't work doesn't...
  11. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Who says oral tradition can't ever be written, and written can't be ever be spoken? You regularly speak the written Word of God, and we can find what you call oral tradition written down. LOL Again, Paul revisited, in writing, an oral tradition he had while he was with them--"whoever doesn't...
  12. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, you're saying we have to submit to your Church in all matters, and that we are "disobedient" if not--that's what you told me--but disobedience is rebellion, and rebellion is unrighteousness, and "the unrighteous do not inherit God's Kingdom", so maybe you were saying something you didn't...
  13. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Don't you contend that it was Jesus (God) speaking to Israel--but you think that applied ONLY to the Torah, but it's OK for you to add and remove from Jesus's Words today? Are you admitting you're doing that? Again, when Paul wrote the Roman Church, he didn't say "OBEY ME!", he used Scripture...
  14. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Clearly, the contrast is between supernatural works and righteousness--ie, it is possible to do miracles, but not love (love fulfills the righteous requirement of the Law (Ro 8:4, 13:8-10)), just as Paul says, "if I have faith to move all mountains, but I have not love, I am nothing." (1 Co...
  15. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    When you say "all of those outside our Church are hellbound--and we don't have to defend anything we say using Scripture or reason, you just have to dumbly follow", that's "cutthroat".
  16. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, Paul's tradition, as explained, seems to just be Scripture-based practical halachot--the "tradition" he revisits in the epistle to the Thessalonians is "whoever does not work does not eat", and this is traceable to Genesis 3, where God says "by the sweat of your brow you will eat food"...
  17. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Well, actually, Jesus is explicit, so "do not add or remove" (Deut 4:2) : He said many would come to Him, and say "Lord, Lord", and try to claim rightness with Him due to supernatural acts they had done, but He will say "No, you do not practice righteousness." So, how can we do God's will for...
  18. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    It's just a commentary on what you said--you claimed I thought Christianity was "cut throat", and I remarked that, rather, you all are the ones who are rather "cut throat".
  19. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, Paul explains one of his oral traditions to the Thessalonians : "you know our tradition when we were with you was anyone who didn't work didn't eat". This is Genesis 3, where God says, "From the sweat of your brow, you will eat food" : Paul's "traditions" are similar, then, to the Jews'...
  20. GracePeace

    OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

    Yeah, and I already know God--and I'm not relying on doing miracles or wonders. Jesus's issue, here, is they are not righteous, or seeking after righteousness--they think service to God for God's glory, or glorifying God, or Christianity, consists in doing miracles and other supernatural acts...