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Greetings again Lambano, You did not quote my full statement above and as such you have not answered my question "When do you actually consider that God the Father created God the Son?" You only quoted the following prtion: So to ask again: "When do you actually consider that God the Father...

Greetings again GodsGrace, I have already responded to this false accusation. I have already responded to this false concept. Not worth repeating what I stated. Your theme has been effectively disproved. Kind regards Trevor

Greetings again Justified and GodsGrace, I do have a personal answer to what you quoted, but could find it difficult to give a satisfactory answer that you would be able to accept. Part of the answer would be to start with Exodus 3:14 where God's Name is revealed as "I will be". I am not sure...

Greetings again GodsGrace, You are redefining the phrase to fit your theology. Jesus was begotten by God his father. Luke 1:34–35 (KJV): 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon...

Greetings Lambano, I hold the view that "only begotten" in John 1:14 is the correct translation and "one of a kind" has no substantial meaning in that context. I suggest that modern translations are trying to avoid the simple teaching and implication of what it is saying that God the Father was...

Greetings again Justified, I do not know any Bible passage that states this. The Bible teaches that Jesus was the Son of God by birth, character and resurrection. I suggest the first two of these are taught in the following: John 1:14 (KJV): And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and...

Greetings again Justified, I suggest that the "therefore" is stating the fact that as God the Father was his father then Jesus is the Son of God. That is reading the text simply and correctly. Biblical understanding? To claim he had two natures is a contradiction and an impossibility. How did...

Greetings Justified, Jesus received the title "the Son of God" because the One God, Yahweh, God the Father was the father through his creative power, the Holy Spirit and Mary the mother in the conception/birth process. As such, Jesus was born a human and had human nature. God did not beget...

Greetings again HealthyShape, Fair enough I suppose, but i suggest it appears that the person who designed the original sign-in did mot anticipate your position or suggestion. I am happy to move on from this thread. Kind regards Trevor

Greetings again HealthyShape, The options when joining were Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Atheist, Other Faith. "Other Faith" could be Buddhist or something similar. There are many religions in say India. The Note below this selection states: "Please select your faith. This can only be changed...

Greetings again HealthyShape, But I reject your definition of "Christian" as I have discussed earlier in this thread. There was a big difference between the early Ekklesias and their Elders Acts 20 and the growth of individual Bishops over a large area who then gathered to discuss in the...

Greetings again HealthyShape and Adventageous,, That would limit my involvement in many threads. I like this forum as it is the only one that I am currently involved with that allows me to respond with my old Tablet and I use this early in the morning when time is limited. Other forums...

Greetings again HealthyShape and Greetings Adventageous, I assess this as when they declared Jesus is God and the second when they added the Holy Spirit as God. My first major discussion on the Trinity was on a forum and it was quite measured as I would post one day/evening in Australia and the...

Greetings again HealthyShape, Could you give an example or two of "the ecumenical creeds". Does this include the Athanasian Creed? My fellowship does not get involved in politics or warfare and this agrees with my assessment of the Apostolic Faith. Kind regards Trevor

Greetings again HealthyShape, I used Adult Baptism as an example of how individual groups end up with different doctrines and this example as an indication of how the mainstream Catholic and Protestant Churches rejected them and persecuted them. We live in an age of more tolerance, mainly...

Greetings again HealthyShape, The early beginnings of one group has interested me. They were eventually called Anabaptist. I have not studied them in detail, but I have a general overall understanding of what happened. There were initially 25 individuals gathered and they had decided that the...

Greetings again HealthyShape, I appreciate your clarification. I consider that the faithful usually existed outside this mainstream. Sometimes they were persecuted by the mainstream. A new faithful group could arise and disappear in a few generations due to many factors, sometimes persecution...

Greetings again HealthyShape, I am not sure of your perspective, but you kept on saying that we received the Bible from the Church. The predominant Church for hundreds of years was the RCC in the period sometimes called the Dark Ages. What "Church" is this? When? Kind regards Trevor

Greetings again HealthyShape, I consider that there is a strong disconnect between the original manuscripts and their multiplication in the early centuries and the Apostate Church of the 3rd and 4th centuries. The original manuscripts was not even the early Church writing it down. Starting with...

Greetings again HealthyShape, This is not a Biblical phrase and to me it is not relevant to true Christianity. Is this phrase mainly used by Catholics? Did Jesus see the need to fully endorse all the teachings and practices of the Scribes of his day for preserving the Word of God? Many of them...