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  1. Fred J

    24 elders in Heaven

    i disagree, that's your 'spin' on things to suite your own 'twisted version'. According to ch. 4, these 24 elders were already seated on thrones in Heaven, and there's no mention of them 'coming out of Tribulation' or taken up in the 'first resurrection'. The ones mentioned are the 'brides of...
  2. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    i can agree with you on that, but can you quote the one Jesus asks His disciples, who the Israelites say He is? Thank you
  3. Fred J

    24 elders in Heaven

    What a waste of 'quotes'? Just quote the scripture where Enoch and Elijah died and buried, thank you.
  4. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Correct! 'spirit and power of Elijah', meaning the 'characteristic' and 'anointing' of Elijah, and probably not Elijah in person. Something like how Elijah passed his to 'Elisha', with a 'double portion' as requested. Because John the Baptist is like Elijah in characteristic and anointing...
  5. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Moses in the Law prophesied to Israel, a 'Prophet' among them to come after him, and all Israelites must listen to him, or GOD will require of them. It can either be 'John the Baptist' in the category of 'Prophets', where all Israelites have to listen to the 'best man' representing the 'Groom'...
  6. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    i agree and no dispute about that, as you can find it in my further posts. But read the scripture carefully, 'If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?' Apparently Jesus is 'denying' in the passage, if i were to be a believer then hearing, 'if David say so', 'How am i his son?' Only as...
  7. Fred J

    24 elders in Heaven

    i disagree... For when 'Enoch' and 'Elijah' were taken up to Heaven, they did not have a change of body. i believe the 'patriarchs of Israel', together with Enoch and Elijah, are already there in Heaven as the 24 elders. The scripture specifically writes, only the dead in Christ shall rise...
  8. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Moses when he prophesied to Israel in Deuteronomy, he did not mention 'Messiah', but only a 'Prophet' to come after him. And his writings are in the book of Torah which also comprise of the Law of Moses. On the other hand, only in the book of the Prophets, the 'Messiah' and 'Elijah' to come...
  9. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    i believe Jesus is trying to make a point to men and believers, not fixate one's understanding 'shortsightedly'. He is 'the Word' and 'the Lord from Heaven', who took on 'flesh'. (John 1:14) By the 'flesh' Jesus is 'the Root' and 'the offspring of David', and by the 'spirit' He is the 'Lord...
  10. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Yes, because they're leaders, teachers and lawyers of Israel who know the Old Testament scripture. Scripturally, 'these' are the prophesied 'individuals' the leaders and Israel are waiting for. Scripturally, the 'Messiah' is to come, and before the Messiah, Elijah is to come, and that Prophet...
  11. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Mind you, the comparison between John and Elijah, and Jesus and FATHER are completely different according to the context of the scripture. John the Baptist answered himself that he is not Elijah, meaning, he's not. But Jesus answered, 'I and the FATHER are one.' 'If you've seen Me, you've seen...
  12. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    The 'Word' takes on 'flesh', wherefore only the 'flesh' by birth is David's son, as to prophetically come to pass. But the 'Word' is the Lord from Heaven, and that's why He responded truthfully according to Mark 12: 37. Why Jesus had to refute the mind of men going on about, He's the son of...
  13. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Friends, David Lamb's scripture quote is very clear, where Jesus Himself declared that John the Baptist is Elijah who is to come. Luke 1: 17. And he shall go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the...
  14. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Mark 12: 37
  15. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Quit being and reacting like a 'kid'. Mark 12: 35. And Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the Temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David? 36. For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I makethine enemies thy...
  16. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    You're right, i don't believe either, because John the Baptist denied that he is not Elijah. Something like Jesus who denied He is the son of David, yet His birth biologically is from the line of David. Probably He didn't want people to fixate their understanding on one thing, when He is also...
  17. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Friends as David Lamb quoted, Jesus himself said John the Baptist is Elijah, and the prophecy is 'fulfilled'. But why John the Baptist himself said he's not Elijah?
  18. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Friends, John the Baptist himself confessed that he is not Elijah, what am i missing here?
  19. Fred J

    Elijah shall come before Christ?

    Fabulous! But am not getting it, i know Elijah from the Old Testament and i know John the Baptist from the New Testament. Apparently they are not the same person, please explain furthermore, thank you
  20. Fred J

    A look at Isaiah 49:14-51:3 and John 7:1-8:59

    Every time i happened to read your tread, i feel like am in the wilderness, quiet and empty, with only noises in the background. But be cheer of heart brethren, for all is not lost, cause within this wilderness itself there's a 'brook Cherith', there dwell the 'spirit of Elijah'. Shalom in the...