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The early Church, before Augustine, fought OSAS, as part of its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a doctrine unique to Gnosticism, but, later, Augustine, a former Gnostic, came along and "Christianized" it.

The OP includes a presentation on the history of OSAS having been fought against by the early Church in its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a Gnostic teaching, and only became part of Christian thought when Augustine, a former Gnostic, Christianized it. The topic is not "How are...

Thank you. To remind everyone, the topic is about the claim that, early on, the Church fought OSAS because it was a teaching unique to the Gnostics, and the Church fought OSAS as part of its fight against Gnosticism, so the discussion is about whether that claim is true or false--the topic is...

Everyone has so many feelings, and so little to say that is on topic. Pathetic.

People here are incapable of staying on topic; if it bothers you, I understand.

I really wish people could find it in themselves to stick to the topic. It's so boring to keep reminding people--no matter if they agree with OSAS or not--to stick to the topic, which is a historical issue.

You're a perfect example of women being the weaker vessel (mentally, too--Eve's weak mind was deceived, Adam's stronger mind wasn't), thus ineligible for ever having authority over a man or teaching us anything. Enjoy your ignorance!

Yup, but, again, are you denying people eat for pleasure and harm themselves by so doing--that it's one thing to eat for nourishment, to obtain for the body the vitamins and minerals, fibers, etc, it needs WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING suffering and not living in wanton pleasure, and another thing to...

Obviously, I mean unhealthy diet causes self-harm. I've repeated that over and over. Are you even reading what I'm saying carefully before responding?

Peter says it's by abstaining from fleshly desires that wage war on the soul, just as Paul describes the sinful urges in the flesh as doing in Ro 7. Is Peter "psychotic"? Didn't Paul say he was in fasting often?

Yeah, that, by itself, debunks universalism; however, it requires a rethinking of the punishment of God's wrath, bc it seems that the people who go there go to become objects of God's Wrath, whereby they glorify God (God revealing His wrath glorifies Him), thus, little by little, repaying their...

Paul says the widow who lives in wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives (Spiritually dead--she has been warred against by the flesh, with its desires that are contrary to the spirit, and has been conquered); Peter says "arm yourselves with suffering in the flesh, for the one that has...

Right, diet causes self-harm--and we know why people do it, that it is for pleasuring the body, the desires of which wage war against the mind, according to Peter and Paul, and hundreds of thousands die from that pursuit of pleasure in the US every year, bc they die of heart attacks, strokes...

1. Universalism ignores the reality that some people cannot be forgiven for their sin, and Jesus did not die to atone for their sin, because their sin cannot ever be atoned for, because it is really eternally offensive--blasphemy of the Spirit. Jesus's sacrifice could not pay for that sin...

But again, if it is a personal choice that is leading to self harm, and "love does no harm", aren't we correct to identify their activity as not walking in love, but after the flesh (since walking after the Spirit means walking in love)? And since gays "receive in themselves the penalty due...

I understand we should not "despise" or "pass judgment" on others, but if a person is choosing to do something they think is wrong, or that they think is right, what is the basis for their conviction--and if their conviction has good reason for being that way, why wouldn't it be right to try to...

Apparently, the animals changed (even biologically) after the fall... so it may also be that humans also changed (even biologically) so that they cannot sustain a completely raw vegan diet. Raw vegans do have to supplement with B12, because we don't have a good source for it (meat eaters obtain...

1. Yeah, that is it : had you availed yourself of the information already shared in this thread, you wouldn't have said, "I just can't figure out where the idea that OSAS comes from Gnosticism comes from!" You are responding to a matter before hearing the matter, as Proverbs 18:13 says not to...

That's because you're answering a topic without knowing what you're answering, as Proverbs 18:13 warns against doing.