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Proverbs 18:13 is going to hell fire, then, because Proverbs 18:13 called you a fool for responding to a matter before even hearing it.

LOL What does He say about false accusation, like you've brought against me, claiming I say this and that false doctrine just so you can attack that straw man false representation? You want to attack, that's all. You're not interested in engaging in discussion.

OK feel free to get lost because you have nothing intelligent or helpful to say, just idiotic unthinking "discernment" that makes you into a fool, according to Proverbs 18:13. Imagine being so idiotic--"I don't know what this is, I haven't read it, but I don't believe it, and I know it's...

If you hadn't been a fool, and shamed yourself, but read before responding, you would've read that I don't believe any of the lies you are falsely accusing me of believing. You haven't read what I have said, which contradicts your "baloney" false accusation. LOL How can you accuse me of saying...

I don't know what your conception of being "under Grace" is; to me, it means you are "under the jurisdiction of Grace", meaning that the Spirit of Grace is in authority in your life, conforming you to God's good pleasure. It does not mean "everything you do is fine", or else Paul wouldn't have...

Being said to be "under Grace" and "within the Law of Christ" (1 Co 9:21) are one and the same : you can't be "under Grace" OR "within the Law of Christ", nor "under Grace" AND NOT "within the Law of Christ" (or vice versa). You can't be "within the Law of Christ" and NOT be "under Grace". How...

One of the major objections to this doctrine that is raised by so-called "Torah Observant" Christians is Acts 21. So, how can Paul affirm (to James, et al) that he "keeps Torah" when we know that he explicitly teaches that he is not under the Law, but is under Grace, because he died, thus, the...

I shared this in another site in response to a user who had raised an issue that was not directly pertinent to the topic, but, because it is an important question that a lot of people get confused about, and which does not really have entirely coherent responses, I thought I'd give it its own...

The question of whether the early church fought OSAS is a claim about church history, it is not a claim about whether the Church was right or wrong in their fight against OSAS. You should know I've had many threads on the topic, and how everyone stopped even responding, so I don't think it will...

The issue with saying "OSAS is true" is it will lead to debate about whether it is or isn't when this is about a historical issue of the Church. Please do not defend OSAS here. It's not the discussion.

Yeah, that's my honest assessment. Yeah, it's not edifying to go on a rampage accusing everyone--it offends others, and it destroys conversations

I've said all I need to say, and I stand by it. I can see I'm not getting through to you, and I want to stay on topic, so I won't keep beating a dead horse.

Do what? I gave the example of Peter, so, clearly, I'm not saying anything like what you're talking about (ie, a straw man of my position). The mercy I referred to was in God's dealing with Peter--answer that, don't change topics or ascribe views I never espoused to me. I think there are...

The major issue, I think, with "deception" is if it leads to unrighteousness (eg, by falling from grace , as with the Galatians--Grace is how we walk in righteousness in the New Covenant); but if someone says "God justified me by grace, not my works, and now He works in me to will and to do for...

Yeah, but God is merciful--eg, Peter believed only Jews could be saved, and that he was under the Law, and had to keep the dietary law, but, in due time, the Spirit of Truth led him into the truth of the Gospel, gave him a vision, and Peter learned that he was not under the Law, and that...

I welcome dissent; I only ask that you actually address the topic.

Again and again, that is not the discussion, so please do not raise that topic. If you are going to contribute to the discussion, avail yourself of the presentation included in the OP, then you will be ready to discuss that information, you will be on topic.

I hold that people can have some errors in their doctrine (eg, Augustine with his OSAS) without that disqualifying them from being Christian/saved.

Well, just quickly (since it's not the topic), I agree OSAS does not cohere with Scripture (though I hold to an "odd" form of OSAS), but I disagree that God rejects people who believe in it--obviously, they have the Spirit, and, to me, some of them have more of the Spirit than some NOSAS people...

The topic is not eternal security, whether salvation is irrevocable, etc; the topic is the history of the Church, and, in particular, that it fought OSAS early on, because it was a doctrine unique to Gnosticism, and it fought Gnosticism, but that OSAS became "Christianized" by Augustine, a...