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  1. Fred J

    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Apparently, natural birth of water in the mother's womb has been debunk by Jesus, after Nicodemus spoke of it as he understood. Clearly, it was the water baptism upon repentance, as Jesus and His disciples were too water baptizing after John, and it continued to the book of Acts. Shalom in...
  2. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    True born again readers, the scripture read, at the Lord's second coming the first resurrection takes place. Why is read, first resurrection, now is there a 'second resurrection' for ones left behind, who also shall die for their testimony of Christ and the word of GOD ?? Since also read, 'but...
  3. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    How silly one can get, anti-Christ's appearance and reign over the world, marks the start of the Great Tribulation. Therefore, your pretrib rapture is a 'bogus' of a heretic. Folly, apparently you don't get it and babbling without scripture to support your claim, but copy and paste scripture...
  4. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    You don't get it from what am testifying and quoting, you're just going off and returning slow in learning, i understand. To you, 'all that left behind are beheaded', when is their rapture, since to you there's already a pertrib taken place?? And again and again, where is the scripture quote...
  5. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    The true church at all time are persecuted worldwide for their testimony of Jesus and the word of GOD, besides the 'lukewarm' church. They are equally persecuted, there are those killed and those spared to live another day to testify. That's why when Christ return for the first resurrection to...
  6. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Again and again, there's no pretrib rapture, where is the scripture quote to support your claim? The church did go through the Great Tribulation, being persecuted for their testimony of Jesus and the word of GOD. They did not worship the beast nor his image, neither received his mark on their...
  7. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Obviously! But the point the scripture is making, the church did go through persecution under the anti-Christ in the Great Tribulation. This debunks the false doctrine of pretribulation rapture by heretics. The first resurrection happened during the mid-Great Tribulation, and before GOD...
  8. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Just haughty and being wise in your own conceit, small boy Johnson. Revelation 20: 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the...
  9. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Am not on this matter and never made assessment, why lie? Based on this parable, to you it's a true event, so relate it with Paul's saying? Seriously, you're having fun with your 'twisted' version, suit yourself. There are Christians who say, 'I wish I died and gone to Heaven.' So i get it...
  10. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    2 Corinthians 5: 8. We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Apostle Paul clearly said, 'and willing rather', and not, 'when he leaves his body, he will be', total contradiction that will conflict with all scripture and it's sound...
  11. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    There's no pretrib rapture, but midtrib rapture which is the first resurrection. Anti-Christ's appearance in the world marks the beginning of the Great Tribulation. During his reign, the church were persecuted for the testimony of Christ and the word of GOD. Ones who did not worship the beast...
  12. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    This parable is about the 'final judgement', where the servants(angels) are sent to bring in the harvest, bring to Christ's judgement, people of all nation kindred and tongue. (Matthew 25:31-46)(Revelation 20:11-15) The first resurrection of the just. the righteous, according to 1 Thessalonians...
  13. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Is the rapture before the Great Tribulation? Revelation 20: 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgement was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of GOD, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his...
  14. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Yes, you're right my bad, but it doesn't conflict with the 3 comings given you. i just missed the part that on the final judgement He shall come with His angels from Heaven. Sending them to the 4 corners of the earth to gather people of all nation, kindred and tongue to be judge. This is...
  15. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Thank you and that's your version of only 2 comings, i get it. Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
  16. Fred J

    Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

    Learn from your wise Master Jesus, for He did go back and forth with Nicodemus explaining about even just one topic, born again. He just pointed out generally as too what Nicodemus is lacking, and that's it. On the other hand, can you come back to me on the prayer of Jesus to the FATHER about...
  17. Fred J

    IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

    Let me clarify thoroughly, that there's 4 coming of Jesus in regards the world. First coming, He came as a child and in His 30's brought grace and truth the Gospel to Israel in the beginning. Second coming, He returns to bring back His bride, the dead in Christ and the living and remain, will...
  18. Fred J

    Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

    John 17: 12. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in THY name: those that THOU gavest Me I have kept (even Judas), and none of them is lost (even Judas), but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. From the beginning Judas was with Jesus doing the ministry of...
  19. Fred J

    Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

    You're just haughty continuing being wise in your own conceit, am feeling sorry for you. Every one who've had conversation with you end up getting tired and bored of you, since you're fruitless.
  20. Fred J

    Was judas Iscariot used by Satan ??

    Friends, let's get back to the tread, thank you. Based on the context of the scripture, Judas already made a deal with leaders of Israel to have Jesus arrested. i believe he did not know how or when to get this done, until during the supper Jesus fed him and immediately entered satan into him...