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Irrespectively, I appreciate you and @PS95 interacting.

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If you've read, I'm sticking with John (Gospel and Epistles) for this thread. Want is not the same as actually obeying. If you've read, you will know I already went the route of obedience, and, still, God rejected it, bc I didn't do it out of 100% love (I detected no reason, in Scripture, for...

As previously stated, there is no answer in #414 (in fact, you've admitted you do not see a need to reconcile the two ideas), and, as stated, I've already made many posts where all the Scriptures were taken into consideration, and I have spent decades studying the entirety of the Scriptures, so...

Thanks for taking your time, but I can't agree with the idea that "true faith invariably works", bc John's Gospel says that many of the leaders believed, but they would not confess Him. You may be hitting upon something that has some angle of truth to it, but, strictly speaking, it is not true...

1. So, I'll put your way of reconciling them as rejecting the idea that they even need reconciling. 2. Reconcile something that isn't in the same category? If eternal life is said to hinge on the one, how can it hinge on the other--how are they different categories? How is it a gift when you're...

Wait, are you talking about Catholics? Lol

Remember he asked me to explicate the issue I was having with reconciling the two--I am not able to arrive at a firm conclusion, so I'm not asserting there is or isn't a free lunch. Also, I could imagine someone arguing that it isn't a free lunch because God paid a high price in order to give...

In John's Gospel, there was a free lunch (Jn 6) lol

OK Remember, I am soliciting peoples' opinions on how to reconcile the two, so, since you don't see a need to reconcile the two, and have no answers to that effect, how were you hoping to help? If eternal life hinges exclusively on believing in Christ, that happens in a single moment, and you...

Abraham didn't do that, he found how both seemingly mutually exclusive propositions told to him could be true.

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It is my request for this thread. I have had so many threads where I've been open to all the Scriptures being discussed, but, here, I'm wanting to focus only on John's Gospel. It is my request for this thread. Would you please entertain me?

What I would not want to happen (as a result of your reply) would be that a conversation would begin, citing many other books in the NT, not just John's Gospel, along with flaming, etc. I do hope to stick to the question in the OP ("If you've struggled with reconciling the two, what were your...

@BarneyFife Some examples of people who were approved of (in John's Gospel) both believed and did good (in John's Gospel, "doing good" is being sent by Jesus and seeking His glory (Jn 3:30; 4:34; 6:57; 7:18)) : 1. the King's official believed, and he went, and testified about Jesus to his...

Abraham, our father, also, mentioned in John's Gospel, was faced with affirming two seemingly mutually exclusive propositions from God (if you recall), so at least I don't have to feel like the issue I'm facing is outside the realm of orthodox faith in God.

The question I asked (that you're responding to here) was about whether or not I had understood you on how you reconciled the ideas/verses from John mentioned in the OP. It looks l had misunderstood you on how you reconcile the two sides. I'm not looking for a breakdown of how you understand...

Well, I'm specifically asking about the verses shared in the OP (ie, not about "salvation" in general), and soliciting others' findings if/when they have sought to reconcile them. It's entirely possible, however, you will argue "there's no issue"; I can accept that as an answer, but that would...

1. It's a perfectly understandable and acceptable answer to just say "It's just paradoxical--we're not God, we're mere men, so we may end up confused when God speaks." 2. I think part of my answer is in understanding that God is not in a default angry disposition toward me in the meantime...

One thing I think we should settle on--I don't think we disagree on this point--is that the works should not be burdensome, as John says.