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NOTE : The specific gifts and callings that are "without repentance" are the "gifts and callings" the Jews, who were cut off for unbelief, still have, because of their fathers, BUT their retaining those gifts and callings happens at the same time as they are "cut off" for unbelief, so the...

Well, in that case, one of us is calling God a "liar", but only one of us has actually proven their point by pointing at Scripture--that was me. You denied that Paul was speaking to believing Gentiles, telling them they could be cut off for unbelief, but I pointed to the Scripture, and proved...

The text forces me to disagree. Romans 11 17But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it...

No, they're the people referred to in Heb 10, "'My righteous one will live by faith, but if [My righteous one] shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him' [without faith it is impossible to please God], but we are not of those who shrink back to destruction... ." They shrank back from the...

Sure... and what do you do with verses that indicate the loss of faith, like Matthew 18, where the guy is forgiven all his debts (corresponding to the righteousness of faith, defined as being forgiven Ro 4:6-8), but, afterward, the forgiveness is rescinded (meaning his righteousness of faith has...

If you think you're saying nothing different, good for you, but you have words like "yet", as if you disagree. If you want to disagree, go ahead; if not, I'm glad you agree.

You had asked for Scriptural citations, so, because I'd made many assertions, and wasn't going to drag Scriptural references (references you're already acquainted with, yet are asking me to drag the citations out--I'll have added nothing to you after having dragged them out for you), I asked you...

Please clarify.

What I've been saying is that it is God's righteousness that justifies--the first justification, the ongoing justification, and the final justification--and yet it is not something that does not involve activity on our part, and it is wrong to say "I was justified by God's righteousness, not my...

For which assertion?

Yep, because there is no goodness in our flesh (Ro 7), we can't fulfill the good Law (Ro 7) if we're in the flesh, or walking after the flesh, but those in the spirit (Ro 8:9) fulfill the Law when they walk after the spirit (Ro 8:4), because God is full of the goodness which His Law requires...

I have meant that, in Romans, we can't be justified by "a righteousness of our own", but by "grace"/"God's righteousness', and, yet, final justification is still only for doers of good (2:6-16), and daily justification still apparently hinges on doing good (1:17, 4:12, 14:5, 23), therefore doing...

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I'm saying it's wrong to say how we live after being saved cannot/does not affect our justification.

I'm saying in Romans grace and faith connote God's righteousness, and man walking in God's righteousness, and works connotes man's righteousness (eg Ro 8:3 the Law relies on flesh)--to say that Christians must walk in faith to be justified is not a violation of "saved by grace".

What we do as Christians is done by grace through faith, and falls under the category of "God's righteousness", (eg Paul says "I was abundant in labors above them all yet not I but the grace with me")... therefore, they are not "a righteousness of my own", they are grace, not works. When...

For now, I stand by everything I've said--the word "works" has been misunderstood, because "works" pertains to "a righteousness of my own", not to "God's righteousness" which is "from faith to faith", thus the idea that "we are not saved by works" does not encompass how we walk after we are...

You are welcome to attack any of the arguments I've made proving works has been misunderstood.

Christ says He will lose none, etc. From God's perspective, you were once a sinner, and He sent Christ, and gave you faith, and now you are a saint. He "forgot" your sins (Jer 31:34). Which of those perspectives of God is true?