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Constantine started the catholic church He took everything that was pagan Rome, changed the names, and made it catholic. History states this everywhere, except in prejudiced catholic journals, which is all you obviously read.

so you think people are predestined for hell because God wanted it that way?

Interesting, I agree until your last statement God knows what will happen ahead of time, therefore he knows our predestination. But the question is, "did he choose our destination or did he just know what our destination would be? But what if he interferred to make our destination happen? Such...

He must be one of those pajama people!!!

Hey Breadman, I heard the real reason for the split between east and west was that east called Saint Nicholas the real Santa Claus but the pope claimed his own Saint Nicholas as the real Santa Claus. So that's when the east dumped the west and moved on with their lives.

His catholic church? He wrote an Apochalypse about his catholic church.

Tell us, what does perfect mean?

God will never lose his church. That's why us protestants are here.

Catholics are fighters. That's why we had so many crusades. Kill the Muslims and take over Jerusalem. But God wouldn't let it happen. How many crusades? Eight? And the last one was a children's crusade. Mother Mary and Joseph! I wish they'd all go away.

Check the Apochrapha In one of those books, is some vague mention of something that catholics turn into purgatory Look up 2 Maccabees 12:39-46.

That's a pretty good list you got going. Keep adding to it, there's a long way to go.

Yeah, a lot of stuff I don't talk about

That was rebellion and drug use, 22 years old, a year or so out of Viet Nam

What happens when you end up in limbo?

I feel love is the answer. If you love someone enough, they can't stay being bad to you. Of course there's always the exception, but I'm not giving up.

Who? Breadman? He's a piece of cake. He just needs to be understood.

What? Are you bucking for a position on my team?

One of the great debates in modern Christianity are the beliefs of John Calvin. Such a great man had much to say but we'll just look at Tulip here. T - Total Depravity U - Unconditional Election L - Limited atonement I - Irresistible grace P - Perseverance of the Saints I agree with total...

It's 7:55 AM and I'm the only one online. Therefore, I declare myself "King of the Forum" I'll make Breadman man my right hand man, my lieutenent Need to keep discipline around here.

wow, and Breadman didn't know that. HAH!