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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    Pray and study, listening to His Spirit.
  2. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    You gave your views, and I thank you for explaining your views. If you would like me to explain my views on anything, feel free to ask (I got lots of bandwidth in quarantine right now... I'm actually incredibly bored). But when it comes to God's Truth, I'm going to roll up my sleeves, bend my...
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I ask DNB questions about DNB belief's so that I can better understand DNB's beliefs. And I thanked him for his direct answers. Obviously I have some major disagreements with DNB's beliefs, but I now have a much better understanding of what his beliefs are. When I have questions about God's...
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    Yes, this has been an enjoyable conversation.
  5. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I get your logic here, even if I disagree with it.
  6. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I appreciate the straight forward answer. Thank you.
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    (I'm sorry @DNB, I got distracted and forgot to reply to your full post). This was the part that prompted my question as to whether you believer Christ is God. Though experiment for DNB: I want you to go and follow the Father, but not follow what the Son tells you to do? Or in other words: to...
  8. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    DNB,am I to understand you do not believe Christ is God? (Trying to make sure I’m understanding you correctly)
  9. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I do passionately disagree with you here. And remember: why theology is super super important, it's not what saves a person (that's Christ).
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    FWIW, even while I disagree with the Athanasian view of God, I totally acknowledge the as being monotheistic. Like my view it's not super-simple monotheism like Islam, but is indeed monotheism still. :) The Father never quits being a person's Father. Him performing the miracle of taking a...
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    If we're going with the definitons wherein little-g god = a divine person, And big-G God = the way, the light, the truth, etc. Then yes: 3 little-g gods and 1 big G God. Right now, even the most diligent Christian is no where near complete sanctification and perfection. That's a marvelous...
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    Is it wrong to use the services which support entities that seem bent on wickedness?

    It's a case-by-case thing. Large companies are involved in MANY things, some bad, some good, a lot neutral. Rather than trying to tango with the whole big corporate elephant, I find it much more logical and productive to be move focused & targeted in things. If you dislike Cuties (for...
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    In polytheism: I can choose to serve Zeus and go against Poseidon. I can't choose to serve the Son and go against the Father - such doesn't even make sense, they are one. In polytheism: I can choose to honor Hera but not Hermes. I can't choose to serve honor the Son and not the Father - such...
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    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    Let me know if there's anything else I can address for you @Prayer Warrior :)
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    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    Yes, very similar to how a priests in other denominations will ask questions of a a person whom wants to be baptized or become a priest.
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    In the garden, Christ prayed to the Father, "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done." (Luke 22:42) I ask you: Whom is Christ talking to here? Is He talking to Himself? Who's will is being done? My answers are: Christ isn't...
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    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I stick with "person" - I know what a person is. With all due respect, when folks try to use different definitions for "person" vs "being"... honestly I find it super confusing, unhelpful, I don't find it in scripture, and best understood through the lens of ancient Greek philosophy. I pass...
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    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    In another thread, @Prayer Warrior asked: Ok, starting out with big picture context then zooming in: Salvation: LDS Christians 100% acknowledge that non-LDS Christians are indeed Christians with saving relationship with Christ. Many many folks whom didn't sit mortal butts on pews at the...
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    What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor

    <removed as I'm not yet done typing this>
  20. J

    Is the messiah the father himself in flesh?

    I'll just tack it this post on to the end of that long thread. Edit to add link: What Mormons Believe--according to a Former BYU Professor