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The saying "it's better to not get married" was what CHRIST referred to when He said "not all men are able to accept it"--you tried to say He referred to His overruling of Torah's concession of "any cause" divorce, but it wasn't about that (it's not an "optional" teaching that only some men can...

The saying is "it's better not to be married", bc He goes on to discuss eunuchs--same as Paul in 1 Co 7.

Based on what? I really don't see your objection.

It's interesting that men are said to receive "gifts" from heaven related to their service to God after salvation--"not all men are able to accept this, only those to whom it is given", "but each one has his gift". How are they not able to "accept" it? They're not able to "accept" it bc they...

@Hazelelponi In other words, God "wears" us, like clothing. I had angrily asked God how Paul could say "ridiculous nonsense" that he worked, but it wasn't him (1 Co 15). "He's just trying to preserve his NONSENSE of 'saved by faith' while actually practicing salvation by works, but he doesn't...

@Hazelelponi NASB Romans 6 22But now having been freed from sin and enslaved to God, you derive your benefit, resulting in sanctification, and the outcome, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, bc we're in Christ...

So you don't think Sin paid us death, but it was God? But also satan has to ask God to do anything, so, in a roundabout way, as with Job ("you moved Me to destroy him without cause"), it always comes back to God. I would think of Sin as the one "paying" us, not God (though it ultimately goes...

I was referring to the language used in Ro 5,6, and the reason eternal life is afforded us (referred to as a "gift") there is in response to our natural state/gift of slavery to God in Christ that results in holiness.

No, there's another potential reason for the apparent discrepancy: "predestined" is not being defined correctly, and/or it has dynamics (whose "outline" can be groped for and detected in all those passages warning believers of the potential of falling away) that we are unaware of (which, fishing...

@Eternally Grateful Maybe the difference is that Adam did nothing to be alive, but he did do something to die? But how does that correspond to our context when the explanation for our having been "gifted" eternal life is not on those grounds, but on "being found in Him", where good works are...

Joke ;-)

Just tangentially, I was asking God why one is called a "wage" (death in Adam--as a result of his trespass, we were born naturally slaves to sin, leading to our "paycheck" of death), but the other one is called a "gift" (eternal life in Christ--as a result of Christ's obedience, we who are born...

Just checking! Lol

How did you GUESS which passage I was talking about with @marks!? Lol @marks since the verse is up did you want to talk now? Lol

Sounds good.

That was tangential to the topic. If you want a thread on Israel/Church, where you can address whatever angles on it you want, then start a thread on it. Lol This thread is on "predestined", and I want to discuss that, and I am following up on a reply you made.

@marks All right, you demanded the Scripture you already know I'm talking about, and which you've already answered, be posted, yet you, the one demanding it be posted, did not care to post it, and you are upset that the Scripture that you know I'm talking about, and which you refuse to post, is...

You already addressed it lol. Now you're acting like no one has a clue which passage I'm talking about. You're welcome to post the Scripture you know I'm asking about. If that's asking too much, you're free to bow out.

We both know which Scripture I'm talking about. You already addressed it lol. Now you're acting like no one has a clue which passage I'm talking about. If it helps you to have it posted, you're welcome to post it. I don't need it posted.

Funny you didn't ask me to quote the Scripture when you gave the answer you gave before. What changed? We're already discussing it (Ro 8), and I'm asking how you work these things out.