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  1. Retrobyter

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Shalom, Trekson. Okay, let's think about the TIMING of this system you have (which is similar to what I USED to believe): First, Yeshua` had raised some to life before His death. These came back to life JUST AS they were before they died, only they were healthy. Apparently, they would have to...
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    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Shalom, to the both of you, Trekson and Marcus. Nonsense. Let me ask you a simple question: Will those who are ORIGINALLY "dead in Christ" be resurrected with immortal, incorruptible bodies or not? Y'know, guys like Avraham, David, and Yechezk'el who constitute the ORIGINAL "dead in Christ" or...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. Okay, I'll lighten up ... a LITTLE. Just make sure that what you say doesn't contradict the Scriptures, and your imagination can go wild within those parameters. You might be surprised by what all I believe about the New Jerusalem, and within the confines of the Scriptures as...
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    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Shalom, Trekson. Quit letting your imagination run away with you! Anchor it in God's Word! You are assuming too much! Why were the leaves of the tree of life "for the healing of the nations?" There are MANY prophecies about eating and drinking in the Scriptures! Isaiah 61:1-62:9 61:1 The...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. First of all, NO prophecy has a "near fulfillment" and a "future fulfillment." They all have exactly ONE fulfillment. That is the nature of a prophecy in order for people to be able to judge whether a prophet is of God or not! If all the prophecies that a prophet speaks come...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. You quoted 1 Cor. 2:9, but you also neglected both surrounding contexts: 1 Corinthians 2:1-16 1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Shalom, Jack. I believe it DOES help; I played in the sand box, too, as a child. It's hard to know what "outside the box" means without first knowing what the "box" is and what its confines are! Allow me to re-assure you that I am NO LONGER a "pre-trib." I cannot be a "pre-trib," because I...
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    Is the resurrection past or future?

    Shalom, Rocky Wiley. The Resurrection is often misunderstood or made out to be something that it is not, often to accommodate one's own personal beliefs and opinions rather than to deceive. In Yochanan's version of the good news (John 11:23-26), Yeshua` first spoke to give Marta hope. Marta...
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    Israel will be Darkened

    Shalom, Eric. <sigh> In one ear and out the other.
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    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Shabbat shalom, Marcus. Look, this is a real tragedy. You can think about me whatever you want, but I have ALREADY accounted for how the top 1,496 miles of occupants are able to breathe! They are ENCASED within the walls of the city! There is NO open top as the walls of a pyramid, triangular in...
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    How close are we with the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple?

    Shabbat shalom, Trekson. Granted. You're right, of course. When you put it that way, yes, we still have a "remnant." HOWEVER, I find it encouraging that Jews and Isra'elis and Hebrews worldwide are coming to the Messiah Yeshua` by the THOUSANDS, even as we speak (or write)! I also find it...
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    Israel will be Darkened

    Shabbat shalom, Eric. I tend to agree with you on this point; however, don't let it become too general, global, and nebulous. "The sheep and the goats" Judgment is a WAR TRIBUNAL! Notice that it is NOT against individuals but against whole NATIONS and PEOPLES. And, at this point in history, no...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. SIBKIS. See It Big, Keep It Simple. Words to live by, according to Charles "Tremendous" Jones. The imagination is a wonderful tool; however, it is also the human race's WORST "Achilles' heel!" ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS temper your imagination with the truth of God's Word...
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    How close are we with the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple?

    Shalom, Old Jack. Hmpf! Some "remnant!" Did you know that there are over 150 Messianic synagogues just in Isra'el alone?! And, that's not counting the THOUSANDS in other parts of the world! Wikipedia says, "In 2008, the movement was reported to have between 6,000 and 15,000 members in Israel...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Shalom, Marcus O'Reillius. Thanks. I enjoy those old brain-teasers. Easy stuff for a mathematician. The four lines are drawn as an arrow at 45 degrees to the "box." And, what is exactly 2ce the area of a square? A square with sides of the square root of 2 times the original side of the square...
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    TheGreat Day of the Lord is Near

    Shalom, keras. Actually, the "initial 'type', then a later complete fulfillment" is a myth invented to ALLOW for such things as the "Antichrist predictions" to be drawn from passages that had NOTHING TO DO WITH an end-times "Antichrist!" It was a way for a passage to be applied to two different...
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    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Shalom, Marcus O'Reillius. "A man convinced against his will ...," eh? "Don't confuse me with the facts! My mind is already made up!" It must be nice for you to skip "the instruction to the Jews in Judaea," but these are YESHUA`S (JESUS') words you're "skipping!" The abomination of desolation...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. Here's Strong's entry on Gr3772: However, James Strong and his allies were human beings and as such were fallible. I'm sure that if we could talk to them today, they would admit to that fact. The key is how was this word used IN EACH CONTEXT IN WHICH IT CAN BE FOUND?! THAT is...
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    How close are we with the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple?

    Shalom, logabe. What a God! What a Plan! In fact, it is so big a Plan that it's out of your reach! Sorry, bro', but you are WAY off base. First of all, let's look at the contexts of the verses that you've quoted: Isaiah 29:4, 6 (why only THOSE two verses?): First of all, siege works and...
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    The Great Tribulation

    Shalom, Trekson. While I agree with you in principle (Christ doesn't "need" US to be His army and Christ wins), I disagree with you on points-of-interest. Consider this: "Aggeloi" (Gr32) translated as "angels" literally means "messengers," as does its Hebrew counterpart, "mal'akhiym" (He4297)...