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Again! With the NOT reading of what I said. I said I do NOT think one should be sitting around waiting for his return, idle. With or without popcorn. The popcorn was in regards to the escape hatch, man, not Christ's return. The popcorn doesn't matter...let it go, it's clearly too much for you...

Well, hang on. If our verse outright says that these people are standing before the throne and the Lamb, and we already know from earlier in Revelation that the thone and the Lamb are in heaven, where are you getting "holy land" from? After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no...

No man, walk me through the verses. I walked you through them quite clearly, echoing what Paul says quite clearly. If you want me, or others to think differently, show us. Show us from scripture, not from opinion. Point out the words you think I misunderstood. Point out the phrases you think...

....goes the party line... How about this. How about you walk through all those verses I just gave and tell me what they mean instead? Can you do that?

Did you perhaps get out of the wrong side of bed this morning? Or do you just naturally miss the point, and swing right past sarcasm into snarkiness? The popcorn was in reference to seeing an actual escape pod...you know, from a space ship. So, its not going to happen. The whole thing was tongue...

Good topic. I would say, however, when discussing a lie, is how often people set up "replacement theology" incorrectly. I listen to quite a few Dispenational teachers, and I don't think I've ever heard them represent what 'we' actually believe correctly. Instead they build straw men and throw...

Wow...missing the humor, much? Okay, stepping right past it...sure he can come at any second. I hope he does. I long for it. You have no idea how much I do. But I'm not sure gazing into the sky is what he'd have us do, yeah? Probably more along the lines of living our lives for him and for...

But isn't this just an assumption as well? You are assuming that the people are on earth 'seeing' into heaven, because the text does not stipulate that either. Sure, of course God can 'make' anything happen, if he wants. But the text doesn't say they "saw" the throne, it says that they were...

Hey...if I thought an actual escape pod might come flying out of the Eastern sky...I would probably enjoy the occasion 'hopeful watching' of the horizon! A good chair...some popcorn..

Ok. I suspect what I'm going to say next is going to make you angry, because you seem to take all this rather personally. Please know I'm not trying to insult you, or your beliefs about this, I just sincerly can't see them working with scripture and feel the need to point them out. That's my...

This only presupposes that something different has to be done to each. That there is different aspects or stages. If, as we know, we must come to Christ to be saved...and the Church (currently redeemed Jews and Gentiles) is already in him, there leaves only one option for anyone, be they...

Yes, and this should not be glossed over. Dispensationalists make a big deal accusing people like me of being "replacement theologists", usually using that phrase as they would in the same category as 'nazi' or 'anti-semite'. And, well, it's simply not true. Like you have here, we simply point...

I'm not discounting any of that. I'm not saying that the Church did not have it's beginning at Penecost, or that the Spirit didn't fall in a new, paticular way that day. Like I said, Christ's coming changed everything. However, Paul is still very clear. Let me try and walk you through it again...

I think that when Paul told us that he had 'seen things that were not permissable to speak of', that sort of said it all. We don't need to know exactly what waits for us. And those who attempt to are just selling something. Yes, it is 'one' of my passages. And yes, it most certainly does talk...

Forgive me, I'm not sure about your reference to Israel of Gentiles here, but in regards to the Rapture of the Church and it's timing with regard to the second coming? I think there is ample evidence to suggest that they are one and the same event. In the passage you mention, 1 Thess 4, the...

Keep in mind I'm only saying what the verses I posted are saying. Israel, as she was supposed to be, true, believing Israel, those who, like Abraham had faith and God 'kept' for himself...was not all "blood" Israel...in other words, not every person born a Jew, was "Israel", according to Paul...

Ah, but that would be cheating! How many of us would love it if a passed on loved one just popped in with a bit of knowledge from the here-after? We are just not meant to have that knowledge now, I believe...one of the reasons I think the "I died and saw heaven" book craze is bogus... I...

Hi Trekson! I know the group you're talking about, and it gets a little confusing, doesn't it? They are Israel, but national Israel is Israel too. I think, perhaps they're called, in the NT, anyway, the elect. They are, without a doubt, like us; called and set apart by faith. Thank you. These...

Well, to be fair, the texts say 'eternal torment', not torture. It is entirely possible that people will be tormented by the eternal knowledge of the truth and the subsequent separation from God. As per 'weeping and gnashing of teeth', I'm not sure I can agree with you there. It seems to me...

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. -Galatians 3:16 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong...