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  1. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    And...around you go again! :D One does not "reconcile" verses by ignoring them, or by repeating your point again in the hope that the verses will go away. Ok, let's have a little look back over our conversation: in post #348 I pointed out that 1 Cor 15:23 did NOT hold the key to a massive...
  2. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I also, will attempt to keep this conversation from falling into a black hole! And just say, I disagree completely. The doctrine of the Trinity is pulled from multiple and many, many different parts of scripture, woven together until a large, complete picture was seen. An undeniable doctrine...
  3. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Well, I may need a bit more time to catch up on all that then! ;) I agree that there is quite a bit of detail on the Antichrist in scripture. Sufficient so as that we might be confident that he will show up on the scene. But as for the details pointing to who he must be, or where he must come...
  4. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    I'm...not even sure what to do with this. Is this even slightly scriptural? It sounds more like a Budda thing, to be honest. Toss in a good "Oommm", or what have you. One thing I am sure of...no...two things I am sure of: 1: this is absolutely not scriptural. 2: no wonder you don't use bible...
  5. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    No, you wish I had. I'm guessing you don't 'do' the Trinity? Well...that's a whole other conversation we don't need. But briefly...when Jesus told the disciples that he must depart, or else the helper would not be sent to them, we see the order of the Trinity working. If it were only Christ...
  6. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    You know, it occurs to me that the more bible verses I give to prove my point and to explain my position, the more dodging I get from you. Seriously. I think you've done all the classics...refusing to answer a question by instead asking a barrage of questions, demanding I answer immediately...
  7. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Ok...nuts and bolts of it. I think that Revelation clearly speaks of a spiritual emnity between to "city" types: Jerusalem and Babylon. Babylon has always been, throughout the bible, the city used to describe a city or nation that is in utter rebellion against God. While Jerusalem has been, of...
  8. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Well, we know what happened. He was crucified. But should we love our own lives more than others? I'm not talking of being foolish, but, I think as Christians, following our Saviour, we need to fundamentally understand that we should have a theology of suffering (persecution wise) and taking up...
  9. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    I never said you didn't quote me, I said I never meant to misquote you. Question: how are we to 'share' our new, spiritual body with Christ? I'd like you to just spell this out a bit in more detail, because I just don't quite get what you're pushing at, sorry. Also...you keep on at this "it...
  10. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Why doesn't my logic work? The point IS that the Holy Spirit and Jesus are one! The Trinity is one! Christ returns as he returns...let's ask him: Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes...
  11. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    That depends, of course, on what context we're talking about 'eternal life'. By accepting Christ and recieving the Holy Spirit as a guarantee: In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is...
  12. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Ok...I haven't been misquoting on purpose...I just don't get what you're saying. So...when you say that "each in his own order" thing...you're not just talking about people experiencing their own "mini-raptures", complete with imperishable bodies. You're talking about that being a progressive...
  13. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Ok, cool, so you're one step further along, so that's good. So keep reading through John 14 and see that the fact that Christ leaving...his promise of being "in" us, being "manifest", is actually through his promise of sending the Holy Spirit. It says it right there, like, three verses after the...
  14. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Well wait...is the verse about "The world sees me no more" or is it about "each man", as you previously claimed it was? Because there's no point moving onto the issue of 'the world sees me no more" until the whole "each man" thing has been answered. Which, quite frankly, you haven't. And I don't...
  15. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    "That was all good until". Wait. Let's forget the "until" for a second and go back. So, you cannot disagree with anything I wrote. So essentially I made my point about 1 Cor 15:23 and the Greek, and plain reading of the text backs me up. It talks about what, who and when. Easy. Right. Now on to...
  16. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I'm not sure I totally agree with you here. Those who deceive...deliberately, with the intent of leading others astray, yes, I believe they are our enemies, and the enemies of God. But those who are deceived...those who have been tricked, for want of a better word, into believing that which in...
  17. Naomi25

    Is your tattoo faith based?

    Nope, sorry...I'm quite boring!
  18. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Agreed. I know many find judgement and hell horrible. And they are. They are horrible to contemplate. But we must understand what the nature of a holy and just God is, one who is sovereign. We must, as mortals who are limited in understand, trust that the same God who provided such an amazing...
  19. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I don't know that i've heard about that sequence before! So...you see the sixth seal as an event that must take place next? And then the seventh...the 20 year gap?
  20. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Well...to give your opinion its due, the democrats are doing their level best to do away with all of those things that hold America steady. Democracy, voting...the Supreme Court. I honestly think that if Hilary had gotten in, we might be half way to somewhere where a scenario like you paint...