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It doesn't mean "you'll observe the Sabbath"--they were already observing that "shadow", so, if that's all the "shadow" referred to, it has no fulfillment, and Christ would not be fulfilling it.

You are free to not engage. I'm not dying to hear your thoughts.

I do not quite know what to make of the teaching of "predestination". If it is the case that people are foreknown, therefore predestined, therefore called, therefore believe, this, taken in a vacuum, would go hand in hand with other Scriptural doctrines (you didn't choose Me, I chose you; I...

Or maybe I didn't find your "answers" particularly informative or helpful?

You mean it doesn't follow that all those who believe unto justification were called because they were predestined because they were foreknown?

My comment was only meant to demonstrate a reason I don't accept the conventional understanding of "predestine"; I'm still looking for peoples' opinions on "predestine".

Because those He foreknew He predestined, those He predestined He called, those He called He justified (through faith)--the faith doesn't occur apart from predestination.

I don't know why only Monergist types have found this question easily answerable, whereas Synergist types have come out with guns blazing, and typically arrogantly trying to attack a view I never espoused.

You all aren't my teachers--not every person who shares information is automatically a "teacher". I'm not really interested in ancillary thoughts, which is why I only asked about "predestined" and how it affects your lives.

If the foreknowledge precedes and precipitates the faith unto justification, isn't it causation of faith, not only addressing a destiny for believers (conformity to Christ's image)?

I don't know why only the Monergist types have found this question easily answerable, whereas the Synergist types have come in with guns blazing trying to "debunk" me (when I'd put no definition forth). "Methinks they doth protest much." Thanks.

"Come to Me... you will find rest..."--Colossians 2 says Sabbath was a shadow, Christ is the substance to which it pointed?

Sorry, the word is in Scripture. So you agree its in Scripture. Not sure how this clarifies the concept. He actually says He does know--and this is one of the proofs He is God. Are you unacquainted with those prominent passages? Not sure how this clarifies or defines the concept. I didn't...

The discussion is about what people think "predestined" means.

Just asking what people think "predestined" means, and do not need or want unrelated info or conversation.

Thank you for clarifying. I had misunderstood you when you said As stated (and I do not want to keep repeating myself): I am not certain I know the meaning of predestination, or its implications, but I have, in the past, rejected the conventional understanding of it, because Paul warns those...

I'm asking you all for your opinions on it. I haven't given it much thought, apart from rejecting the conventional understanding of it, since, for instance, Paul warns the very same people who were saved that they can be cut off for unbelief... so, then, how could it mean "If you believed unto...

In this case, your answer would be "I reject Paul's teachings, so 'predestination' doesn't affect my life."

1. Nowhere on the thread have I defined "predestined"; I've only solicited opinions. 2. OK