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My point was it seems you're saying God saw that you would choose Him...?

Well, yeah, God foreknows, and, in my mind, He foreplans His responses to what He foresees people will do. He has already been here in that sense. He saw it all, and also already formulated responses to it. Since He is from eternity past, it would be impossible to say "when" He came to "know"...

I've always heard OSASers reject what this view might be saying--ie, on the grounds that "I didn't choose Christ, Christ chose me"--it seems youre saying God foreknew that you would choose Him? Am I wrong?

John asserts Christ has a bride. The idea of being Christ's body, His flesh and bone, cannot be divorced from Scripture--these are Adam's words about his wife, Eve (and the Church is compared to Eve in 2 Co 11:3). James accuses individual believers of being "adulteresses".

So, for you, predestine is about securing conditions that would inevitably lead to your justifying faith? How is that different?

No. I just haven't seen that a lot.

Well, God is "married" to His people--hence their interpretation of "foreknow" in that manner.

So, how do you interpret "predestined"? How do you divest it from your having been called and justified?

OK that's surprising. Yet, you would say OSAS.

So, you would NOT say the reason you came faith was because you were predestined to it?

But, in the Bible, "know" has other implications than mere "knowledge"--that's why they interpret it that way.

LOL I don't need to label you, I was just noting Monergist "types" seem to have no problem just straight forwardly answering this question, whereas Synergist "types" tend to be very defensive.

You have been asked to go away. Next step will just be placing you on ignore.

So, are you a Synergist?

Well, some interpret "foreknew" as "foreloved", but, actually, it's the "predestined" part that I'd (reasonsably, I think) consider "precipitative".

OK thank you. Would you please briefly share what your understanding of "predestined" is?

I know you've denied it in the past, but you're basically Monergist (a general term--perhaps not all Monergists are Calvinists, whereas all Calvinists would be Monergists) from what I can tell.

1. Go away. I had let you have the last word. 2. I shared my reason for having begun this thread--ie, my inability to reach coherence on the topic. I'm allowed to share that tangent in my own thread.

I don't remember you even sharing how it (whatever it means) affects your life.

Lol I merely asked for peoples' opinions on predestination, and how it affects their lives--because it (what ever it means--I'm not saying it means anything in particular) is found in Scripture--yet people come in thinking I am holding to a particular view, and attack that view, rather than just...