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I think that's called "compatibility"? So, does your awareness of God's involvement, and His having more "weight", give you a peace and a confidence? Also, what does that have to do with predestination? LOL

@marks I can't find it right now, but I thought you said predestination gives you confidence about your ultimate destiny (to be conformed to Christ). You said that, right?

Another curious thing, perhaps related to "predestination" (after its conventional interpretation), is Jesus says His "true" disciples had been with Him "from the beginning" (Jn 15:27) The statement is a bit ambiguous: Which "beginning"? John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was...

Saying they're "married to God" is effectively saying they're "God's People"--they were "married", and will be again, just as they were "God's People", and will be again--in the meantime, God has added for Himself another people, to move the Jews to jealousy, and when the Jews return to God...

OK Thanks for sharing.

No, I think there are two Israels--a physical and a spiritual. Some Jews are part of both, some are only part of one... but that's not the topic.

OK. No, I'm saying the basis of their having been "married" to God was their status of having been His People--it's one of the ways God relates to His People, but, in Hos 1, "You are not My people and I am not your God"--what believers are today.

No, that, to me, is something I actually believe--and again it's not worth more resources.

Yeah, I'm already aware, we just disagree on interpretation--and, again, its not really that important to me.

Yeah, I don't have a set in stone view, I'm presenting you with others' arguments.

@marks anyway this is related to some people interpreting "foreknew" that way--I actually don't know whether that is a valid interpretation or not, so the outcome of this (Church as Bride) doesn't matter that much to me.

You're ignoring the significant commonality the Church and Israel share: the Church is God's People, and Israel used to be (and seemingly will once again because one day) God's People. Apparently, one of the ways God relates to His people, apart from being a Father, is "husband".

1. Eve was within Adam, and only drawn out of his side later--as with Christ and the Church. 2. There's only one Church--called Christ's bride--and it's got lots of Jewish believers in it. Are they both Christ's bride and God the Father's bride, separately? Lol

No, I'm not equating those two things--just bc someone knows something will happen doesn't mean they mame it happen--I'm saying that predestination precipitating calling and justification is a logical argument people make, whereas you're going back to foreknowledge and defining that in a way...

Yeah, I was answering their objection.

Literally, the Church is called His bride in John's Gospel and in John's Revelation. It's one of the ways He relates to His People Anyway, I've put my info out, you've put yours out--I don't want to keep on with this particular tangent.

Again, at some point, God said "You are not My People and I am not your God"--but there are those who do qualify as God's People today.

So, the objection would go, "Christ chose you, you didn't choose Christ".

I'm saying that some people object to the idea that an all knowing being could "learn" anything--and the "mysterious" solution is that all occurs as a result of His sovereign decrees.

Eve was Adam's body and bride. Israel was God's people--whoever His people are, He is married to them.