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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Sounds about right I would have thought so also until today. Looking at that again, I have to ask myself if maybe there are some events during the Tribulation that somewhat resemble events at the very end. Yes, that is certainly going to happen when He comes back. The question I have now is...
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So your wild opinions are almost solid gold fact then, by your estimation. We get it. Daniel chapter and verse that says the beast only rules for the last part of the week? In your opinion. I am not so sure that the seals are not events that actually happen before the vials and etc. So it...
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Let's get this straight. You are saying that because the called Jews from various tribes are mentioned in chapter seven...this means...what? You have an opinion. Whoopee doo. It seems that you think that all six seals are just some sort of closed prophesy about what will happen in the future...
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Looking at another opinion (though you like to call it knowing) we see this " The key to interpreting this passage properly is in understanding that the entire seven years of Tribulation is considered the "wrath of God." The Bowl Judgments are just the final and greatest outpouring of wrath...
  5. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I am not sure. When John is hears a voice that says come up hither, maybe that could be it. As for the sixth seal, the events listed are apparently leading up to the return of Jesus, in the final phase of the Tribulation. 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a...
  6. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No one says the virgins are saved believers. If they were, they would have oil. The saved have the oil of the spirit. The unsaved do not. The saved do not merely say lord. The prodigal son was still saved. Those who accuse others of 'wallowing' often pretend they are sinless, and therefore...
  7. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    You are welcome to your pet theories. When I see God choosing 12,000 people from each of the tribes of Israel, well, it is what it is, no Alaska needed. So when Israel is attacked, (as in the topic here) do you think that they are attacking the wrong place and people? Do you think God lost...
  8. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Says who? If many died in the early stages of the 7 years, they would be there also. Why claim you know? Says your opinion. Says who? God knows what He is saying. If He points out a special 144,000 Jews, great. Too bad I didn't chat with you 38 years ago then, I could have straightened you...
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Part 2 of reply Says..who? The first half of that 7 years is also wrath. The seals are not spoken about as future prophesy but a happening thing. So are the 2 witnesses 'really' seven hundred thousand? Are the seven vials 'really' 100 vials? Who says you can turn 144,000 into millions?? So...
  10. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    If using Mat 24:51 to refer to Tribulation believers then we have them being 'cut in pieces' and cast off with the hypocrites. That does not describe believers. That describes people that do not believe. They did not believe that 'their lord' was coming. So they sinned a lot and so were punished...
  11. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. The bible says tribes from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. That does not mean tribes from the suburbs of Anchorage, or on a reserve, etc. Israel also gets attacked in the prophesy of the OP here. Not Fairbanks. Christians are not tribes of Israel. There is no separation mentioned in Eze or...
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Why make stuff up rather than representing Scripture? Didn't Jesus refer to Israel when He was here? Was He deceived also? Cultish obsession over the obviously ridiculous is not a good thing.
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    How is it that one race would not need protection while others would? You seem to be saying that because God protects some people that they, therefore could not be Jewish. Also, the things that happen when the seals are opened do seem like judgments! Example: Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he...
  14. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Interesting speculation. Personally I see no reason why the seven years prophesied cannot be seven years. After all, the final seven years is seven years. The 31/2 years is exactly that. As for future pressure for Israel to give up nukes, that seems reasonable. After all, if they nuke Damascus...
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Yes the tribes are Israel. Sorry if you thought they were JWs or whatever. Alaska has zero to do with it. Have you something against Jews or God restoring Israel in the time of Jacob's trouble? Or do you think Jacob really means Santa?
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Actually the land of end time prophesy is clearly Jerusalem and Israel. Not Alaska. God did not lose track of anything or anyone. Neither was He wrong about choosing people from the 12 tribes of Israel in the end. Perhaps you should tell us what cult you are with if any?
  17. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    OK, so you agree that the battle with Gog is a different battle that the battle of Armageddon. You also place it as likely very close to the Rapture, before of after. Seems like a reasonable view. Another poster suggested that there were 2 distinct battles referred to in Eze 38, 39 separated by...
  18. dad

    If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

    I understand real. He went to prepare a real place for believers. That city does not land down on our heads when we receive salvation. That place comes down to earth after a real 1000 years. That city is not here now. Jesus is not ruling the nations with a rod of iron now. In fact they are...
  19. dad

    If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

    Inside. Not all over the world and in power. This is news? His kingdom will come and His will will be done one day, on earth as it is in heaven. Not today.
  20. dad

    If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

    I'll have to take it you do not understand but try to pretend you do then, since you cannot articulate any clear position. You thought you were unique in having repented or gotten saved??