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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    True. Like the hundreds of prophesies Jesus fulfilled in His first coming. No. Never happened. It is not the latter days either.
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So you think that because the forces are in place for the prophesy to be fulfilled one day possibly soon that means it was not a prophesy and fulfilled already?
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    When did all those nations and Turkey join with a king of the north to attack Israel? Try rereading the OP you seem to be missing something.
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Jerusalem means Jesus? I see, so what does New York mean, chocolate pudding?
  5. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Nothing makes the latter days anything else. Sorry you don't make the bar for this thread, not believing that Revelation and prophesies of the end time are not history. Oh well.
  6. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Well one would think that when Gog attacks Israel, they will be surrounded. Also, later, when the nations meet in Armageddon, Israel is also surrounded. Also at the end of the 1000 years, the saints are also surrounded. So why limit any surrounding to 70 AD?
  7. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That is where I lose you. The ultimate fulfillment of all prophesy are in the very end. Jesus was speaking to them and to us!
  8. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Sodom and Gomorrah or Jerusalem is what it is actually. The translated bits are in your head.
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Fuzzy wuzzy was a bear, fuzzy wuzzy didn't care. For this thread all fuzzy wuzzies should believe prophesy is future rather than some other tense. Otherwise posters are not qualified here to answer anything.
  10. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Interesting. Sometimes though, a prophesy can refer to more than one time. In the end, when the AntiChrist enters the holy place, for example, that is the time when people are to drop what they are doing and flee. In fact I would say that is the highest fulfillment of that prophesy. After all...
  11. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    If they made peace and settled for less, maybe that would free them up to focus on the land of Israel. (unless it is still a bit in the future)
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Disbelief then, regardless of the request in the OP to discuss prophesy seriously and in context. OK
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Right. That does seem to be a well organized interpretation. So where would you place this..? Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Could that apply to both the start of the Trib, which may be that first war you...
  14. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    In addition there are modern weapons that can stop electric power. So it could be that they will resort to horses.
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Ezekiel 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall...
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    This is a thread to discuss the invasion of Israel by the forces led by the Northern power. This thread is not for people that view Revelations and most prophesies as history or present. So here is the question, and it is from a standpoint of asking rather than knowing it all. Ezekiel 38:18...
  17. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Rev 16:2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. So the tribulation is not over here. The people who took the mark get a sore. They get a whole...
  18. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Rev 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. This is not after the Trib, as men will still not repent. We can see the judgments are poured out on the people that worship the AntiChrist...
  19. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Or that it is not. We do know that the trib is the wrath of God and that we won't be in the wrath.
  20. dad

    When we see things BEGIN to happen -Rapture

    Those remaining does not mean much when you don't believe the Rapture happened before this. Just after does not mean much either when you stuff the events of the whole thousand years into a few moments. Speak for yourself if you plan to be here for the wrath of God. The dead in Christ will be...