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Yes, we covered that point and you are presenting it in a bit of a misleading way. Subordinationism does not necessarily denote inequality as you are suggesting. Even the article states as much. So, presenting it like the early church did not hold to the divinity of Christ based on concepts...

Nodhead, since you and Purity don't seem to understand this early church stuff, history, and the meanings of words ousia and hypostasis, allow me to break it down a bit for you. My hope is that it will clear up your confusion, but my fear is that you relish the confusion and prefer it so you...

Ask the author of Hebrews my dear nothead. kai carakter tes hypostaseos autou I'll let the Bible speak for itself and leave the conjecture about Jesus and his nature (middle-of-the-road elohim (somewhere between a king, judge, Israelite, angel) that was some kind of a prethought Word the only...

Amen Alan! I just added an edit to clarify (I assume that is what you meant :) )

Thanks for the question Hashe. I certainly hope no one believes ONLY in the Penal Substitution aspect of the atonement. Then we would neglect the love of God, redemption, covenant, sacrifice, reconciliation, the Day of Atonement and a host of other teachings we find in Scripture about the...

Noddy, you are being naughty again. What did we discuss about you using Greek? Remember? Do I have to sit you in the corner and take away your chocolate milk? Now go behave yourself and don't play with things that aren't yours.

My comments are focused on nothead and I only referenced you on the matter because you are quoting material you don't understand and nothead is piggybacking off your nonsense. The fact of the matter, nothead, is that ousia is used because it shares common meaning with the biblical word...

Purity, You clearly don't even understand that quote you posted. Both of you should quit searching the web for key words to grasp for some clever response and take an actual Christian history class. "In contrast to ousía, which is eternal being as such, hypóstasis is real being as this is...

I don't believe God lied to them...obviously. My point (which you can never seem to grasp throughout this conversation) is that the Jews were mistaken in their understanding of God and his purposes for them. That's what I am driving at. Thats the whole point I am making in a nutshell in...

Yep, I'm sure the unbelieving Jews had the same argument. "This was to be an 'everlasting covenant.' We are just believing God!" You actually think the Jew's didn't have "spiritual" and "Scriptural" reasons for rejecting the revelation of Jesus Christ? If so, I have some great timeshares to...

Yes, Christians understand this. However, you talk to any orthodox Jew today and they will totally reject the idea of a suffering servant Messiah (they believe those verses are in reference to Israel). Just as they rejected that idea in the first century. Crosses were the result of failed...

I am more than happy to discuss the issue with nothead or others. Unfortunately, you have shown that you are not only eager take me out of context but that your ridiculous approach to hermeneutics makes it impossible to have a serious conversation with you on these issues. It seems Floyd and...

Yes, well your interpretation of my being "overwhelmed" in my writing is similar to your interpretation of Scripture. I am not surprised you have this take on our conversation.

So why are you using it as an argument against Trinitarians if you are in agreement with our views in this matter? Have you noticed how many of your arguments have really nothing to do with what Scripture actually teaches but your continual referrals to what you think would have been "kosher."...

Again, I agree for the most part, but I would have a bit of a different take on the issue of "deeds" vs. faith. In my estimation, I think Reformers mischaracterized early Judaism as primarily a "works based" system. Not only that, but they were reacting to the abuses they saw in the church...

nothead, This is not a problem. Jesus poured himself out in becoming a man, and I believe that while he was divine, he truly lived as a man. Many times in Scripture it says that Jesus did miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. Jesus truly lived as a man and the power he displayed (in my...

I agree with aspects of what you have said. Certainly, there are repercussions from our actions that I believe God never desired for us (although clearly He knew what would happen). However, I think you are omitting the fact that many of God's judgments in the OT (as well as NT) are direct...

Paul declared to the church in Corinth that he was determined to know nothing among them except Jesus Christ and him crucified. For Paul, the cross was the apex of God's work through Jesus Christ. But what exactly was this work? Theologians have been examining and debating atonement theories...

Purity, Your hermeneutics are so dysfunctional I don't even know how to carry on a conversation. Nodhead seemed to track at least what was being proposed and offered responses that were somewhat of an attempt to deal with the text. When I read your posts, I am truly at a loss for words. Your...

Thanks for the help but Im on track. Ego eimi is used far more than seven times with a compliment in John's Gospel. You clearly found this statement online, but it was not saying what you are saying. There are seven declarations Jesus makes of himself in John's gospel. Ego eimi, however, is...