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Purity, I appreciate you sharing your views as well as inquiring more about Trinitarian beliefs in light of Scripture. I think this is the only way that those who trust in Jesus Christ can grow and hopefully come to a unified and respectful relationship, even though there will always be...

Nothing in your last point exists in Philippians 2. You use quotes as if those terms are in the chapter. Very untrue and misleading. Show me anything related to this first Adam, last Adam concept in that chapter please. The first three points are right and Paul draws on the emptying Christ...

I can't respond to much now. I must say I disagree strongly that "scripturally there are many foods we should not be eating or drinking." We are not under dietary laws as the Kingdom of God has nothing to do with eating or drinking. I agree that we should be wise in our actions, but to...

As I said, what you are proposing is adoptionism. Jesus did not "receive" a divine nature which he did not previously hold. Philippians 2 makes this clear. Yes, he "lowered" Himself. The Greek word is "kenosis" which literally means "to pour out" or "to empty." If you have having issues...

Yes. Jesus was fully human. I am not a Gnostic and I do not believe in Apollinarianism. The idea that Jesus was a man who grew in stature and wisdom does not conflict with Trinitarian views. It appears that what you are proposing is a form of Adoptionism. I think the texts I presented in...

Can you provide the sources of these scholars and their work? I'd like to read up on it. The scholars I have read on the Greek word oinos is very different. It is used almost exclusively of "wine" and there is a specific term for grape juice and that term is not oinos. Also, I think your...

7angels, Yes, I have no doubt there are some areas I need to mature in and perhaps some of my distaste for the above statements reflect areas in which I need to be more patient and understanding. At the same time, in some areas I think it might be good to be annoyed by such things. Jesus...

CJ, The Trinity teaches there is one God consisting of three persons. The persons of the Triune God are evident in Scripture. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are referenced independently and act independently in Scripture. Also, they are each referred to as persons with personal pronouns...

CJ, One God in three "forms" or "modes" is the very definition of modalism/Sabellianism. That view is incongruent with Trinitarian beliefs and in my opinion is not representative if what we see in Scripture. Jesus was not merely talking to himself as he prayed in the garden. There are three...

I think it is clear some have a weak conscience over this issue. The kingdom of God is not about eating and drinking. For those who feel this is a sin for them, it is a sin. I think we can leave it at that.

SL, I don't understand these comments. I don't think I have come across as unyielding or harsh. I said I would like to read where your dad is getting his information that non-alcoholic grape juice is what was used to purify water. I also quoted a list of commentaries that indicate that the...

Purity, Your writing is very unclear. What exactly are you proposing? Jesus was not divine but "became" divine? It seems you are either arguing for modalism or you are a Mormon. Why don't you just say what it is you believe rather than dancing about with all of the comments about what good...

I think that is the primary purpose of my OP: to show that Christ is divine. I can certainly post scriptures that relay his humanity if you wish. Although I think the "mortality" of Christ is clearly displayed on the cross and is highlighted in John and 1 John. I think your "made of sinful...

So you are suggesting (or your dad is) that Jesus had the disciples fill the pots with water, so he could turn them into wine, so the wine could be used to purify other water? Does your dad have a source where he is getting this information about 1st century Jewish wedding proceedings? If so...

Actually I did read the article, and it is full of allegations vs. Rick Warren and Pat Roberson by a "think tank" in Boston. This is an accusation and nothing more. There are many other articles out there that claim these allegations are false. Maybe you should read more of the Huffington...

Purity, My post is in regard to the Triune nature of God. This post is not about the nature of Christ. So, in order to establish an understanding of the Trinity, the focus is on Jesus as God. Clearly Jesus is human as well as divine. I am not sure exactly what your point is. If there is...

Yes, that article looked like a bunch of unconfirmed reports. I am sure that Rick Warren is adamantly advocating the death penalty for homosexual acts in Uganda. Sigh. Just because you can find an "unconfirmed report" on something on the internet does not mean there is widespread oppression...

SL, "New wine" is wine that is newly fermenting. It is, in fact, wine. As I posted above, there is a word for unfermented/unfermenting grape juice that could have been used if the author wanted to speak of purely grape juice. I understand your point and I am not trying to beat you up over...

CJ, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. River Jordan, What Christians are "attacking" gays? I've been going to church my entire life, have listened to probably around 10,000 sermons and I have yet to hear of an "attack" on gays (other than the brief news clips of Fred Phelps). I hear...