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  1. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    The Rapture is not a false doctrine per se. It is widely taught, but not universally accepted. The fact that is not accepted by all does not make it a false doctrine. That is your judgment. We will carry on in the spirit of Paul who taught this message of hope: 1Th 4:17 After that, we...
  2. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Great Tribulation

    My view is not limited by other people's failure of sight. From the Olivet Discourse, Jesus lays out a linear sequence. In this period of megas thlipsis, or great tribulation, Jesus lists several attributes. First is His compassion for the most vulnerable in mankind. Second is the difficulty...
  3. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Great Tribulation

    No you don't "quote" Scripture to "support" your contentions. You cite a verse and make a connection which literally is not there. I call this in the 'Official Guide to Layman Eschatology' as: "This means this and that means that," brand of exegesis and it's willy-nilly and can lead to all...
  4. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Great Tribulation

    It is amazing to me of what you can find and can't find keras. Needless to say, I find no support for your contentions. I notice that you tend to believe whatever you think about a verse is true, and no amount of discussion to the contrary could ever change your mind. I also note that...
  5. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Great Tribulation

    Some sense please. Nor does Scripture say our rewards are RESERVED in Heaven and will be disbursed to us on earth. Nor does Scripture say immortal people live beside mortal people in the Millennium; Scripture DOES say there are mortal people in an unprecedented time of peace, i.e., the...
  6. Marcus O'Reillius

    Why I believe in the Harpazo

    It's not a matter of belief, but what is in the Bible. The concept of the Rapture is contained within the Bible. While it can be traced to a single verb, the action of the Rapture is delineated by many different words. So while the word is not found in itself in the Bible, like the concept of...
  7. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Great Tribulation

    The problem with mixing verses in competition is that it confuses the subject. Trekson is right that the 144,000 are not said to be witnesses, and his point that when they arrive - the time for witnessing is done. The final witness is provided by the first of three Angels. This fulfills Mt...
  8. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    I find it amusing that people will argue against something by using Scripture that doesn't address the subject to dismiss the subject they're arguing against as not existing! The other thing is taking a single verse out of context and making it say more than it was possibly intended to say...
  9. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    I told you; didn't you read it? SO! No one had ever gone to Heaven - BUT someone WILL. John 3:13 doesn't preclude us, as the Great Multitude from standing in front of the Father just as Jesus said He would take us in John 14:2-3. Good day. This argument is now over. I would also say that...
  10. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    False doctrine, eh? Hey my friend: watch throwing stones when you live in a glass house. A coronal mass ejection would not increase the sun's "intensity" of brightness. We've had many over the years and they don't make the sun "brighter." Their affect is felt in other ways. That doesn't mean...
  11. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    Whoa there buddy-ro. I answered your question: Revelation 7:9-12 shows people in Heaven before the Throne of the "Ancient One of Days" - which is John's humble praiseworthy manner of referring to God the Father. Revelation 7:9-12 is not related to Revelation 14:1 - those two verses are in...
  12. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    And you write Bible study guides? Dude, we are souls; we have a body. It's not the other way around. Rev 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the...
  13. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    Those who try to keep their life will lose it, but those who lose their life for Christ will keep it eternally. I wouldn't call Heaven a bleak future.
  14. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    I didn't say that. I do not think your creative and imaginative listing makes a complete story of what our Lord Jesus will do on His Day of the Lord. I did not mention either reference so for you to say I don't differentiate between the two is a presumption on your part. Since I have built my...
  15. Marcus O'Reillius

    The Day of Trumpets and Alarms

    On the contrary: Jesus does come with the Day of the Lord. Two: it is not 1260 days after the abomination desolator. The sequence, given in Mt 24:15-31, that Jesus delineates is: Midpoint abomination - talking image of the anti-Christ IAW Rev 13:14-15 The Great Tribulation - a singular event...
  16. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    For the record, Paul's point in Romans 9 is not to interpret Isaiah 10 in context of the end-times. Paul is not giving a dissertation on Isaiah. Paul juxtaposes Israel to the Church in order to point out the necessity of faith - period. He says it in plain words following the quote: Rom...
  17. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Right on Trekson, I think you did your homework very well.
  18. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    And what you say is pure nonsense still. Furthermore, Ecc 1:9 is not talking about creation or unique events; it is talking about the nature of man. New Thing: Creation. New Thing: Fall of Man New Thing: The Flood. New Thing: Christ's First Advent. New Thing: Savior giving up His Life on the...
  19. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    No, you said nonsense to a so-called 'gap theory' and pooh-poohed it. I say nonsense to your assertion. I did not post that comment in regard to your arguing over creation. In regard to Genesis 1:1 versus 1:2 - I would direct you and the casual reader to Stoner's book: A New Look at an Old...
  20. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Nonsense. There are gaps all through prophecy. There is a gap of at least 2000 years in a single sentence in Isaiah. Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, Because the Lord has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim...