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  1. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    First thing that glares out from me: what you think you know and what you think others know you count as the truth. You might want to re-think that. Don't believe everything you think. Secondly: you don't know who the 24 Elders are - that's why they're men wondered at. I said he could be...
  2. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Read between the verses? Really... that's where the problem lies and your arguments are lengthy. First question is not simple because you interject something not found in the Bible: "ORIGINALLY." Now what's that supposed to mean? So your question is not simple because you put another...
  3. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Nonsense. It's just a school of eschatology that you disagree with - it's not a doctrine per se, and there is ample reason to look forward to our gathering up for those who are still alive and are left.
  4. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Those are all Millennium passages for the Jews. What you're looking for is a passage with us in immortal and imperishable bodies eating. Jesus said it: Mt 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in...
  5. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Right back atcha. Like with your acclamation that you can easily solve all types of puzzles and so think outside the box, but you stay inside the box and try to fit a 1500 mile cube on a sphere 8000 miles in diameter and can't account for how the top 1,496 miles of occupants won't be able to...
  6. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    I am saying that it is our pride that thinks we can overcome his anti-Christ in the end-times. Paul and Peter performed many miracles - at first. Once the people realized God had authenticated them and their Gospel message, the miracles cease. Likewise, in the end-times, there is a...
  7. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    The time frame would be the remainder of the second half of the one 'seven.' If the Great Tribulation is 2 months, God's Wrath would be spread over 40 months; 3 - 39 months, etc. I think in terms of 4-13 weeks; but the actual time is determined by God the Father. We are not meant...
  8. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Retro, that's what you say, and I'm not going to go down your rabbit hole. I mean, it's well and fine, and all that, but you're simply not going to convince me no matter how much "logic" you put forth in your arguments. Jesus said: Mt 24:15 "Therefore when you see the abomination of...
  9. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Yes. It is the conclusion I have come after assembling the sequence of end-time events from the major linear narratives of Daniel, Revelation, the Olivet Discourse and Paul's work in Thessalonians. Of course there are other sources for the end-times which add to the basic structure, but what...
  10. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    As described: after the Great Multitude show up in Heaven with the Day of the Lord events (the sun/moon/star sign) of the sixth Seal. Then the seventh Seal is broken and there is silence in Heaven for half an hour. This is matched in Amos 8:3 as rendered by the NIV: Amos 8:3 "In that day,"...
  11. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Ah, no, again. The Great Tribulation is not "a mere 7 years (or 3.5 years) long." It is even less than that. It is cut short after the midpoint Abomination by the arrival of the Day of the Lord, and that is the time of Jacob's trouble because God will tramp His Wrath out on Israel first.
  12. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Ah no, you're incorrect as well because you're assuming the New Earth is the same size as the old one - AND that all the laws of physics operate the same. New Earth; New Heavens - another creation -- and God is God and He makes the rules for His creation. Like I said, this city cannot be...
  13. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Ah, no, you are incorrect. In 21:1, John has a vision of the New Heavens and New Earth. When that vision is completed, one of the Angels standing there shows him something more about that time period. The city laid out in Rev 21:10-27 is 1500 miles by 1500 miles by 1500 miles! This just...
  14. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    . Hey Stuttgart, the Great Tribulation comes after the abomination is set up in the Holy Place... Guess what Stuttgart - that hasn't happened since Daniel penned it... but it will. So the Great Tribulation, which will nearly wipe out the Elect - hasn't happened - - - yet. But it will as well.
  15. Marcus O'Reillius

    Ten Reasons I Do not Believe There Will Be "an Antichrist"

    The only future thing in Paul's linear narrative, you say, is Christ's coming. However, Paul sets that up as conditionally dependent upon other factors which all must be satisfied. Let's look at your ESV, which I don't use. “Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being...
  16. Marcus O'Reillius

    How can the rapture be anything but pre-trib???

    Because it happens after the Great Tribulation. Mt 24:21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those...
  17. Marcus O'Reillius

    Pre Tribulation rapture

    Revelation 21 is after the Millennium! So the whole of the one 'seven' has been over for over a thousand years! So how does this verse even prove the Elect are gathered up before the Great Tribulation? It doesn't. Thanks for sharing.
  18. Marcus O'Reillius

    Ten Reasons I Do not Believe There Will Be "an Antichrist"

    1. What the heck is a "sometimers?" -- Stuttgart: you're playing word games. When the talking image of the anti-Christ is set IN the Temple, in the Holy Place, it is STILL IN the Temple even if the Temple encompasses more than just the Holy Place. 2a & 2b. The rest of my post was not meant...
  19. Marcus O'Reillius

    Ten Reasons I Do not Believe There Will Be "an Antichrist"

    Holy Place is an OT location: it specifically relates to being INSIDE the Temple, but in front of the Curtain. It would be where the Priests perform their daily rituals in the Temple. As far as naos, what the heck are you trying to prove with this silly, yet impossible, word-test? Regarding...