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It is also a means to redeem us before the wrath. It is also a means to get us all to the marriage supper. God has lots of reasons for things. Guess they were not watching and looking up eh? Why? Because they were not saved or expecting to be caught up.

I guess we would need to know who this 'they' that you refer to is. If you are talking about us saints returning to the earth with Jesus, then we are in paradise because we are already with Him. The believers we are going down to meet will also be in a New York minute. Jesus leaves heaven above...

Nor will it be until after the 1000 years. That doesn't mean we will not have it as our home. You see that is the tabernacle of God and where He is so will we be.

Of course if we are coming back with jesus both in the air on the way and after we land, we are already delivered. The new believers on the ground will still need some redemption. As it was for Enoch no doubt, and Elijah, and for us at thr gathering together with Him in the air, and as it is...

Lot was fine as was his family except for the disobedient wife. The rest of the land was fine as was the rest of the world.

Not sure what you are trying to say. Well, the people that were taken in the air were looking up knowing the time was near hopefully. Later they come back with Him when He comes back. The people seeing Jesus (the unsaved people) may also look up, but not because their redemption is close. We...

Simple question. The multitudes of folks saved in the Tribulation are totally able to stand! Eventually, yes. The fire and warring at His return however does not burn all the world. If it did He would not be dong what He promised here, namely ruling the world with us.

Nothing is dissolved until after our 1000 yr rule here.

I give up...who?? Well If they are there already one supposes they did arrive there. Was there some point to that? I would go as far as to say that no one on earth has arrived in paradise! You do realize Jesus is God?? Ah, so you feel you can wave off the Rapture as some cosmic coincidence...

Well, the Rapture is the end in many ways. It is the end for believers on this world. The return of Jesus is the end also. That is when the kingdoms of man end and it all becomes His kingdom. At the end of the thousand year period the heavens and earth as we know them end, so that is fittingly...

I see. So now you think that the 1500 mile high gold city that is also 1500 miles wide and long that has walls and mansions and a river, and trees etc is us?? No. It is the place He prepared for us.

The scripture you gave said nothing like you tried to make it say. Period.

The earth cannot be dissolved and Jesus and us rule it at the same time. You conflate the time when the heavens and earth are made new with the return of Jesus and our rule on this earth. The period simply lasts longer than you thought. Jesus will destroy and kill all enemies on that day. Fire...

He did not say the length was shortened. He said the days would be shortened. Shortened to what we know. He tells us the weeks and months and days.

I see no warning in those verses. It is encouragement that when the things begin to happen, it is time to look up for our redemption is near. Since you already admitted that was not talking about the Rapture, not sure why you post this? Correct. That is when every eye shall see Him and He...

I was not aware that we knew all the purposes God has? No possibility. It says we shall rule and reign with Him for the 1000 years! Look around. That is not happening on earth. Whether he is or not doesn't affect the fact that he will be when the 1000 years start! Revelation 20:6 Blessed and...

The Tribulation/last seven years/time of Jacob's trouble/time of trouble/wrath of God is not over centuries. The period where Jesus returns and rules and vanquishes all enemies including death is over centuries. That is what the bible says. Look at all that happens in that day. A thousand year...

So we should erase all parts that specify there will be the 1000 years? The question is what is the day of the Lord and how long does it last? That we know since we know when it starts and ends and all the things that must happen in that time' You seem to be obsessing on the word day as if...

Right. I can understand people that realize there is that horrible final period of man's rule on earth that was prophesied about. I used to think that there was no pre trib rapture also. I figured that was an easy way out for some churches to think they would miss out on all that bad stuff...

So what is the end? If His Bride was taken up in the air to heaven with Him, that would not be the end for the world. It would be for us as far as the current world goes. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all...