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  1. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I actually agree with you. I would think most do, ultimately. I suppose the 'road' to getting there differs, depending on which end times system you adhere to, but surely most must agree that the bible teaches that at the end Gods offer of grace will end, and the nations that have rejected it...
  2. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Did I fail to see that? I thought I was merely musing about the state of things now and where things might head. If you truly want to get into a conversation about how I see the end unfolding, fine, cool, I welcome that. But do we honestly need to start such a conversation by throwing around...
  3. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Well, let's consider some things, shall we? You say that these words in particular, are essential to the meaning of the passage, and cannot be left out. Let's see how do most bible translations see it? New International Version But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes...
  4. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    I've twisted and turned the passage have I? I've been the one who's not seen the common sense written there? Because when we look at that one little sentence, we, of course, can see the vast doctrine written there, of time distortions and the like. That's clearly the natural reading of...
  5. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Hmmm, there are some really good points here that I agree with. Revelation does indeed tell us that history is a "tale of two cities", as it were. But here's a question. If Rome, as it were, is the AC, why is the US going to be the second beast? Do you think they will be working together? How...
  6. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    I have to disagree here, based on context of the text. The only 'separation' of peoples in the texts in question, are those who have already died "in Christ", and those who remain alive at his return...again, who are Christians. So? This has absolutely nothing to do with the texts in question...
  7. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Truly? I certainly do see some of that. Probably more than I'd like. But when I consider the world we live in, and the cultures and trends, I see godlessness growing and spreading faster than the common cold. I know, of course, that these things change, and, that given we could have hundreds of...
  8. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Because the weight of the text permits, primarily, a first, then a second action. "First Christ" as firstfruits, "then us" at his coming. First, second. The first one we clearly know happened when Jesus arose from the grave and then ascended into heaven. The second we are told when it...
  9. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    Yes, well. I don't really want to dip my toe into the conversation about the KJV, beyond saying that I don't favour it. I think that any faithful rendition of the manuscripts will lead you to the same place: 1 Corinthians 15:22–23 [22] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be...
  10. Naomi25

    The Rapture Lie

    You speak of semantics, but I wonder if you are stretching things a bit yourself. Sure, we know time and perspective works differently for God, who is outside of time, but he also created it and is master of it, so accurate perception of it shouldn't be an issue for him. So when we come to a...
  11. Naomi25

    Only About 10% of Today's "Church" is Preparing the People for the End Days!

    I'm sorry, but when you (or even the KJV) add text that you assume must be there...but is not there in the original, then I call it an addition. It may well be for "exlanation" purposes, but does that justification actually wash, when you then go on to say that it HAS to mean the Rapture...
  12. Naomi25

    Only About 10% of Today's "Church" is Preparing the People for the End Days!

    Well, apart from some blatant [text addition] there, sure. But one does not need to be expecting a pre-trib rapture to be ready, daily, for Christ's return.
  13. Naomi25

    Only About 10% of Today's "Church" is Preparing the People for the End Days!

    Hmmm, yeah. Didn't really answer my question or address what it is all these "lacking" churches are supposed to be preparing for. By your own admission those looking for a Rapture only have to prepare for the Rapture.
  14. Naomi25

    Only About 10% of Today's "Church" is Preparing the People for the End Days!

    One feels compelled to point out that those who believe in a pre-trib rapture, fundamentally have nothing to "prepare" for...do they not? Isn't the teaching that at any second the Church will be yanked off the planet to heaven, where they will have no part in anything that goes on below? So...if...
  15. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    Well, when I do have a bit of spare time, I don't mind doing a bit of reading! Thus far I've found your articles interesting and logical. I think one question I had, in regards to the one on the Antichrist was: you say that "this entity also claim to be a king? Does it claim authority as a...
  16. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I suppose it could come down to where a person sits on belief. I imagine it could terrify someone who wasn't fully secure in God. Sometimes it's hard for me to actually put myself in the headspace of a person like that. I honestly struggle to imagine what it would be like NOT to believe in...
  17. Naomi25

    Rapture and End Time Beliefs

    I don't actually disagree with you here. The number of people I've heard say they came to Christ after reading a book about the Rapture suggests the Lord uses it and does spark a great interest in the subject. I also agree that regardless of you views on these things, books like Left Behind...
  18. Naomi25

    Amillennialism

    Yes, grammar is important, and that's something 'we' do too. But so is genre. The 'intent' behind why something was written, and in what manner it was written, is also massively important, and should be taken into account as well. Why is that something that you do so well in other parts of...
  19. Naomi25

    Amillennialism

    Edit: thanks for clarifying...sorry I misunderstood
  20. Naomi25

    Amillennialism

    Um...excuse me? Have we somehow got our lines crossed here? I thought you and I had chatted about all this in a friendly manner a few times and then decided we'd drawn the line on it for now? Yes I hold these views, yes I love defending them, as I see it's what scripture says! But i have to...