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Hi! Don't worry about it. Goodness knows I barely find the time to bang out quick answers, let alone try and really sit down for something like I slapped down, sorry! I see where you're going here, but I'm not sure I can make that logical jump that "death and hell" has to mean those who are...

That's funny. I sort of loved the books. But that's probably because I took them to be pure fiction and not based on any real theology.

Well, yes, of course it is! But some of the prophecy was aimed at his Disciples. Not all prophecy has to be aimed at just the end. The thing about the Olivet Discourse is that it jumps around, and can therefore, be confusing. For example, the part where he talks about the destruction of the...

So...you really are saying that Dispensationalists are unregenerated, Satan following, decievers, aren't you? What on earth did these people ever do to you to make you hate them this much? It's really rather baffling. And wrong. Because I know numerous Dispensationalist who are very saved, very...

Yeah...I think we've reached that spot again! You and I...I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye. And I don't need to give you a sermon. God's word will stand for itself. If not now, for you, then eventually. I just hope it won't come to late. But remember, in the end, someone will end up...

Yes, that's what I was getting at with that passage. The passage tells us when this division occurs: “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. -Matthew 25:31 It happens when Jesus comes. By 'final' are you asking me if I...

Well, actually, I'd read those both as tribulation Christians will have in this world...general events, rather than a specific portion of time (ie The Tribulation). The Matthew passage seems to be clearly addressed to the Disciples ("you"), but just as clearly we can see that Christ is descibing...

Yeah...I'm not sure it can be proven that such a division is there. Do I think things will get worse towards the end? Yes. Do I think it will be a specific 7 years? No, not really. Do I think National Jews will, in great number come to Christ? Yes. Do I think the Church has to be swept off the...

Look, it really doesn't. It just doesn't say that he is "going to take us back there". The verse says: In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you...

Well, sure we're looking for his coming. But this verse still doesn't say that it's a separate event with a Tribulation inbetween, or that the Church has to be out before the AC is revealed or Israel can be dealt with. None of them do.

No! :rolleyes: I'm saying YOU can't insert words into verses (HIS verses) that are not there. I have, in no way, ever claimed that God has or hasn't been, able to put whatever as he chooses, and I'll thank you for not making that false claim about me. But the fact remains that you are attempting...

No...haven't considered it...but only because I like to keep away from pointy things!

I'd say Matt 25...the sheep and goat judgement. The Final Judgment “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates...

Can't really say I've thought much about it, to be honest. I've never smoked, so I've never had to deal with it. Have had plenty of other stuff to, though! Everyone has their own problems, own troubles, and it's easy to point to others and judge. Smoking for some, alcohol for others...

You can't claim proof from verses that don't give it! If it doesn't say it, it doesn't say it! But...I recognize at this point it has only become a "he said, she said" because clearly you don't believe my take on the verses, and I don't on yours! So...probably no point continuing on, hey?

Thank you for posting some verses! I have previously gone through some of them and why I just don't think they support your view, but I am happy to discuss it again, briefly, with you if you want. After all, you may have points or arguements that I have not heard before. Always willing to stop...

And you can find that loving response on which page in the bible?

Let me see if I can catalogue what I've gathered about your beliefs just briefly. You don't think we can be sure the bible tells us truth, or that God is knowable. You don't believe in the Trinity, or that Jesus died for our sins. You think "Christians" are members of the sun cult and are...

Annnd....right there. This. This was what I was concerned of from the very beginning and why I got "stuck", as you put it, on that particular issue. When push comes to shove, it comes back to "I have the real truth, and if you don't agree with my interpretation, you are the false believer."...

The thing about this that makes is dubious, is that no matter the time period, you can always find the Church in several states. For example, when John wrote this letter to the 7 Churches, there were 7 actual Churches who were, no doubt, in these states. If we go thoughout your history periods...