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  1. Naomi25

    Dispensationalism

    Well...here's the thing. I am not a Dispensationalists. I think that many of their suppositions are weak and a lot of the ideas are read into scripture. HOWEVER...there is enough biblical evidence for them to 1) lie within biblical orthodoxy...which makes them our Christian siblings. And...
  2. Naomi25

    Dispensationalism

    What happens when the "plain, literal sense" of the book in question is to read it symbolically? I understand and totally agree that we must let scripture tell us how it is to be interpreted. And that we must not take it upon ourselves to read it as we choose. And when we come to Revelation we...
  3. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    You could very well be right! I have certainly heard it taught this way, just as I have heard the notion dismissed. The idea of the 'parable' of Lazarus and the rich man not really being a parable, but fact, has the sound of truth to me...it sounds good. I suppose all I'm saying is that I've not...
  4. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    It's an interesting area to look at as a Christian, I think. Yes, we need to be mindful that God chose to use the Jewish nation to bring both Christ, and his word (scripture) to the rest of the world. Now, a lot of people would then choose to think that God (and therefore so should we) discarded...
  5. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    Hey, take a breath! I think, perhaps you are mistaking what I am trying to say. So...let me try and clarify. I am not disagreeing with the idea of there being a separate place for the OT saints to have resided before Christ "paid" for their sins. I was perhaps a little unsure if I could see...
  6. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    Should we not, as Christians, remember what Paul said about the Jews? ..that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to...
  7. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    This is interesting, and you've put it together well, thank you. But I'm not sure I'm fully convinced. I'll tell you why: What David said, and how Peter and Paul interpreted it, can be seen easily as figurative. And I'm not dismissing it 'pie in the sky,' but statements that are still...
  8. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    It all frustrates me greatly! No, I am not a Dispensationalist, but I have come to that because of research, not just bias. And you know what? I still listen to Dispensationalist teachers. One, because they still have good stuff to say, and two, because I'm not silly enough to think that where I...
  9. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    Hang on...sorry. Where does it say they went to Hades? The passage mentions Paradise, but I don't see Hades there. I understand that perhaps the removal of a comma could change the meaning of the word "today" and when it was meant to be understood, but I'm not sure that follows logically...
  10. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    And this is proof of America arming ISIS how? Nice map though.
  11. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    But why did God pass over their sins? He passes over our sins as well, doesn't he? Why does he do that? Because we have put our faith in Christ Jesus. In the OT, as we are told, the saints "trusted God" and it was counted to them as righteousness. We look back in trust, placing our faith in what...
  12. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    So, I could be advertising my extreme ignorance here...but how does a comma (or lack there of) change the location? For any sort of punctuation to hold sway, wouldn’t the verse be needing to talk about the location of “paradise”? The presence or lack of punctuation would only hold bearing on the...
  13. Naomi25

    Who Started That Lie?

    I think I would have to disagree with you here, and think you may have misunderstood large sections of scripture in regards to how the OT saints were saved. And he (Abraham) believed the LORD, and he counted it to him as righteousness. -Genesis 15:6 See also Rom 4:3; Gal 3:6 But someone will...
  14. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    You said, "Dispies spread lies in pursuit of murder, and you accuse Iranians of chanting "Death to America"". So, maybe you didn't "outright" say that Iranians didn't chant death to America, but you were hardly clear and your sentence could easily be construed as it was. "Only a deluded dispy...
  15. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    Um. Its not a secret that they chant 'death to America'. Look it up man, it's not hard, there are videos all over the internet. The rocket they just fired on October 5th against a target in Syria (in retaliation for the shootings they had at their military parade last month) had "Death to...
  16. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    Well. Let me think a minute. Barak Obama intiated a deal with Iran that he didn't even bother to pass through his own Congress (dodgy from the outset), and decided to give Iran billions of dollars in CASH, Iran who is a state sponsor of multiple terrorist groups. Iran who "promised" America that...
  17. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    Just FYI...that was me doing a quick synopsis of what Dispensationalist believe. It is not what I believe. But I can totally understand how it would have confused you!
  18. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    I think the timeline is (briefly) like this: because the Jews rejected Jesus, God set the Jews aside for a time. In that time he turned his attention to us, the Gentiles, saving the majority of his elect from us. Like in the OT, where a few Gentiles were welcomed into the elect (Rahab, Ruth...
  19. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    If you are talking here about Matt 24:26 (So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.) then you need to put it into context. The verses above it make it abundantly clear that he is talking about false...
  20. Naomi25

    The Absurdity of Preterism

    I would say that apart from where the bible quite clearly talks about Christ's physical return, Christ's own parables echo that fact. How often did he say he would 'come' on a day or hour no one would expect? Why is there a "coming" except that there was first a "going"? The references of such...