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You do realise the same can be said of you guys...who take the bible "literalistically". In other words...those who hold so tight to their "literal" rule, that they don't allow for when the bible actually calls for...nay...insists, for interpretation in light of analogy or metaphor. But then...

My "ho-hum thinking"? Well...I disagree with that. You know that I do have a solid personal view on these things. I just think that when all is said and done, it's not a closed hand issue...it's not something that will shake the salvation issues, and therefore we shouldn't go to war and be...

Um...still missing my point! I get it...you like to drill down on your side of things. I was only saying we can probably find a little grace towards one another simply from the fact that we all long for this 'glorious event', whatever that event, in our own minds, is exactly. But, by all means...

Sorta missed my point and the spirit of the thing....but sure.

Yeah, I know, we've been watching in the news and praying, it's quite terrible. Ha! Yeah...sometimes theres only so many times you can go over something!

You know...I've never put much stock (as you know) in the whole RCC as Antichrist. But...you make a good point of hiding deception in plain sight. Perhaps it is only wise to do some digging into before making any sort of decision. Can I assume that you have all this info on your website?

You know, as much as I like a good debate, it sometimes strikes me that the whole "Millennium...1000 years of 'peace' the Church likes to fight about" is pretty much right. But think of it! Let's say the Pre-Mills are right...that's not going to suck! Awesome earthly Kingdom with Christ in...

As you say...interesting point...the difference between preventing, and bound. It made me think, and then do a little digging. This is what I found on the word bound: In Merriam/webster Dictionary: 1 : to tie or wrap securely (as with string or rope) The machine binds the hay into bales. 2 : to...

Thanks...that pretty much answers the question. And, I never said it was as intense then as it would be in the end. In fact, if you look back, I actually said it would get worse.

All really good points, none of them to be dismissed I think. And sometimes, we have to be honest and say: we don't have the answers. Every system has it holes. But, there are some answers I can put before you to consider here. You are totally right in that just because Satan is a spirit being...

It sort of depends on where you are standing I suppose. Because from here, I'm not spinning words or redifining them, I'm attempting to deal with what's actually written in the passage at hand. You, on the other hand, seem happy to read into them what is simply, literally, not there. So...

Yeah, okay, I see this...the correlation between Matt 24:3-12 and Rev 6:1-11. But, interestingly enough, I think it only helps my case. Matthew 24:3-12 talks of events that will happen all throughout this age. False prophets and Messiah's, wars and rumors of wars, Famines, earthquakes...

To be perfectly honest with you...hadn't ever thought about it. :D I suppose I had lumped it in the category of 'figurative' with the giant key and chain. A literal key and chain probably can't hold a spirit being, so, you know...chalked that up to figurative. The pit...nope...would have to do a...

Actually...this is interesting. I've not heard the Pentecost version of it, myself. What I've heard is that when Jesus says in Luke 10:17-18: The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in your name!” And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning...

:p I was thinking about it all after I answered, and I think a big part of it all, for me, comes down to, well, his "coming". As I went through in my OP (okay, fine, my OPs...plural), it just seems pretty cut and dry to me that Jesus has 1 second coming. So...all these references of "on that...

I think we might be getting our lines crossed here. I'm saying that both time periods are relevent, because while the signs began appearing in the Disciples times (they saw them happening then), they didn't stop happening then, they have continued onto now, where we still see them, and thus "the...

Well, you're right, Matt 25 doesn't mention anything about the dead being judged. But, does that mean that they are not at the same time? Can we find anywhere else in scripture that tells us that when Christ raises and judges the dead, he also judges the living as well? Because if we can find...

No, now is not irrelevant. I said that the Disciples would see these things. And they did. But I never said they would start then and cease then. All these particular signs are prevelent across the whole interadvental period. Go back through the list. If there is one thing there that has not...

Ah...yes, you're correct in this...I think you're answering my posts from last week....

Well, let's look at it. 4-28, birth pangs...happening all throughout this time period. Do we see: Do we have false prophets and Messiah's? Check, and they had them in the Disciples day. Do we have wars and rumors of wars? Yep, back then too. Famines, earthquakes? Yep and yep. Tribulation and...