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Every single church/belief system out there claims to be Christ's original true church. Nothing is unique about Catholic's claims there. Many churches also claim to be the literal structured one too. Nothing is unique about Catholic's claims there either. Pointing to political dominance over...

Again: Mary, all you are doing is looking horizontally to more sinners. Most other Christians (including myself and most Catholics) look up towards God. I know you don't understand that, and that you're not interested in understanding that. So as this conversation would only be a waste of...

I hear you there, HIH. Your high-quality attitude hear makes huge difference and really shine through in your posts. I likewise try really hard to listen to people, and like to be heard, and have real actual discussions where two (or more) people really listen to each other and talk about...

That's asking people on the internet to not act like people on the internet. It's just unrealistic. Or we could just not feed the trolls.

Guidelines of human behavior are always a good thing. "Statement of Faith" requirements... *Jane shudders with flashbacks of cespool Christian Forums* People flaming others, feeling the need to continually "prove" their point-- that's a human behavior issue, not one of faith.

Love that person. And/or place them on "ignore" if you'd like to love them from a distance. You're under no obligation to endlessly refute them and be continually ignored. There's always going to be people out there that have false ideas-- either different interpretations of Christian...

It seems you require a man to have following perquisites: "lacking sins X,Y,Z and sins A,B,C only within certain acceptable thresholds" before God can use them as His instrument. On that we're just going to have to disagree.

@Episkopos neither of us believe that being disciple of Christ is a license to do whatever un-Godly thing you want. We also agree that all men (Christian and non) do un-Godly things. I know that you define "sin" in a different manner than most Christians--we've had this discussion. I did...

God is no respecter of persons: all men all sinners and held to the same standards. And God alone is the ultimate judge.

All people are flawed sinners. It's not our place to judge another, but to encourage them to walk along the path with Christ, no matter where they are currently on the path.

Again, I see everyone here arguing for the exact same thing. But if that's what you want to do, it's your time.

Honestly, I see the two of you are during for the exact same thing, and would see a new Christian being really turned off by this entire discussion.

From where I'm standing it seems that @H. Richard is arguing that: - we are not saved by keeping the Law of Moses (animal sacrifices etc) - we are not saved without Christ I don't see you (or anyone else) disagreeing with those points. I also don't see anyone arguing that "a dispele of Christ...

The three of you are majorly talking past each other.

From the non-Calvinist viewpoint: God gave men free will to act. God also knows how you're going to use that free will to act (perfect foreknowledge) God also knows which people will use that free will to act in X way to help Him and has chosen them to do so. Example: God knew Moses would be...

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If truth were determined by Pascal's wager, then the most logical thing to do would be to go around to every group and ask "what happens to those that don't believe as you do?" and then join the one that describes the most horrible fate for non-believers.

<Taking a big picture approach in this response, being mindful to define words here> Nobody is saved by the Law of Moses, nobody thinks that, so that idea can get tossed. A person is saved by Christ's sacrifice and their acceptance/faith in Him. Nobody is getting to Heaven without Christ...

Mary: when you ONLY talk about an institution, you give the impression that you ONLY care about that institution, and not God directly. And yes: you give that impression with screaming loud volumes. And you'll notice that you're the only person on here that ONLY wants to talk about an...

When the *only* thing a person wants to talk about is how their institutional body is correct, and they never want to talk about a person's relationship with God (let alone the relationship between God & person who isn't part of their institution), then it's pretty clear that they aren't...