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So you say. But unless you can provide direct, corresponding evidence that these groups of people have pushed directly for these events, it's just hearsay. Which is perilously close to slander to all the "dispies" I know who would have welcomed with love into their homes the very people you say...

I'm not going to get into a big back and forth with you, as that never leads us anywhere good. But I'll reply and attempt to, in one answer, explain how I think you are just plain mistaken on this issue. If I'm not mistaken, you believe that Jesus will not "return" because he has not left, the...

Now...I get the idea of saying Dispensationalism is mistaken, because I believe it is. But brother, the vitriol in this post tells me that perhaps there is something underneath all this that is leading to your hatred of them. Because let's get something straight...I know many...many "dispies"...

Maybe a Powerpoint presentation? I surely did like all those pictures, but friend, I could not read all that, sorry.

Yes, sadly I agree. Why is it that eschatology causes such friction within the body? Honestly, sometimes I think we fight more on this and are more passionate in our disagreements on this, than on the matters that truly matter! On Revelation...how about those that think it was written for...

Ha! Only if we get "technical". But just because we believe that some prophecies have been fulfilled, and some are yet to be, doesn't mean we fit into all the beliefs of those that categorize themselves as 'partial preterists'. Although, that does make a very good point that maybe we should be...

Yes, I know that is what full preterist believe. I was pointing out that what the verse says suggests they are in error. At least partial preterists still believe in a future coming of Christ, with the judgement and renewal of all things taking place at that time. I would still find myself...

This is a good question, and I think it sort of cuts through the rubbish of "futurist, preterist..." blah, blah, blah. They're all man made labels. What does God say? And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. -Luke...

I do get what you're saying, but the reason I'm not giving a straight "yes/no" answer, is that it just ins't a "yes/no" question. It's like trying to get someone to explain the Trinity in 3 words. It's easy to say "God is love", and he is, indeed, but really think about it...is there anything...

No, I'm saying that there is a duality to it. God, being who he is, is capable of directing and upholding his purposes, while people still have...volition. When we're discussing something that involves God...a being of infinite power who exists outside of time and functions in a way that we...

Does anyone, in life, ever, make a choice in a vacuum? Do we not, in normal, unsupernatural ways find that we are swayed by circumstance, people, bias, past experiences? How is it different, or wrong, for God to inject into our lives his own way for us to see things when it comes for us to...

Well, I think, I would ask you this: do we see a choice in the garden of Eden? It seems to me that we do. God gave Adam and Eve a choice...to eat in disobedience or not to in obedience. We know what they chose. But this is where God's amazing ability to work his purposes in a dual way occurs...

:D Yeah, that's my bad. I did read it over a few times trying to figure it out...apparently I came up wrong! That happens to me a fair bit, embarrassingly enough. That's life, I guess!

It seems to me that what we have here is a problem between the verses that state that "God wants all to be saved"...as your verse above, and others like the John 3:16 that is often quoted, and then the ones that seem to say that only the "elect" will be saved. And yeah...the bible has both, and...

Sorry, I thought my point was implicit. The Holy Spirit opens our eyes to the truth, but we choose to accept Christ. That is a matter of free will embracing election at that point. We do not slip into a trace only to wake and find we've become "saved". We actively make a conscious choice for...

Actually, I do, in fact, agree with you here...in that there is concern for others. My point (which was attempting to be tongue in cheek) was that you only hear complaints from Christians on the subject, and they always seemed bummed about being picked! Does that not sound strange!!? But, I am...

Hi Jane, no, I most certainly don't see your words as an attack. I think Christians should be able to talk about things like this as brothers and sisters. Sure, we have differences of opinions, but ultimately, we are one in Christ. To be openly honest back at you, I have not spoken to someone...

Forgive me, but it sort of was the issue, and I was only attempting to address it lightly. I was responding to the comment "Lack of free will" in a post, and there has been numerous sentiments of that sort...that they do not like "Calvinism" because of the idea that God yanks our choices away...

I think "lack of free will" is a term that doesn't really do justice to the election debate. Even those who call themselves Calvinists don't believe we're little marionettes jerking around on God's strings. It doesn't work like that. God doesn't work like that. But I have to confess my utter...

Hi! That was actually a quote from the article that Nancy referred us to in the OP. I'm in your court!