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I think one of the main contentions about "election" comes from the very point you've raised...this idea of God "forcing" people to be 'in' him or not. But I think in this matter it is far, far more complex and deep than that, and therefore not as simple as just God "forcing" people to be in or...

Hi Nancy! I agree with you that this should not, in anyway, be a topic that causes division within the Church. But conversation should be held over it, as it seems to address important issues! I, like others here, wouldn't say I'm a "Calvinist", simply because that label has seemed to morph into...

Hi elijah! Welcome to the forum! I too am interested in eschatology, how can we not be?! As far as your passage is concerned: And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them. And when you hear of...

Hi friend of, welcome to the forum! I've watched many things from Tom Hughes, including his series thus far on Revelation. While he is a great preacher and clearly a sincere Christian, I don't necessarily agree with his end times doctrine. But this is interesting. I fully believe that when...

I'm struggling to follow your analogy, sorry (that could well be my fault, however, not your own!). Why would evangelicals say "away to the gallows" to the farmer for helping the Prince, regardless of knowing his identity? And....must we label good deeds a righteousness? Aren't we told in...

Please don't see me as stand off-ish, I don't disagree with you about the Kingdom being spiritual, but I'm not sure you are understanding me. I'm trying to explain how we see the Kingdom as spiritual. The way...the only way, we see the Kingdom as physical, is through us, as physical beings. But...

:rolleyes: Ah bbyrd....are you in for the ride of your life once you die.

Well...that's just getting super picky. I'm sorry, but you are taking one, small element of the Amil understanding and trying to make that our fundamental understanding and then dismiss our end times belief based only upon that. Yes, you could say that the Church was a physical manifestation of...

This is undoubtedly true. How do you think we could even start to combat it? It's hard to know a person has those tendencies until they do something awful, as they hide it. True, there is probably hints on their web searches etc, but for the government/police to be able to know about these...

Well, I'm not really convinced that the Pope will actually resign. The fact that he hasn't really addressed the whole 'scandal' yet, but sort of shunted it down the line for a bit later tells me he's keen to try and smooth it all over. And I saw a news article (sterling source of the truth I...

While I agree there seems to be a enormous amount of finger pointing, and it's true that nothing positive will probably come from it. However, I want to point out that in any process where true change is possible, we first have to identify what/who went wrong in the first place. If children come...

To say that they saw (and still do) the Church as the Kingdom's physical manifestation, is to simplify it and only look at one aspect of it. While that is indeed true, there could be no 'manifestation' without the King or the reign itself. That is strictly happening in heaven and is spiritual...

You say Amillennialists "say the Kingdom is here now, but it is physical." I'm not sure if this is a typo, or a mistaken understanding of what Amil's believe. In point of fact, they believe that the Kingdom is now, but is spiritual. Christ reigns in his millennial Kingdom from heaven...

So, what do we say about star signs, like virgo, and ...the other ones, that I can't remember. :p Are we saying that God made the stars first, and like the gay movement pinching the rainbow, they've pinched the stars and what goes on up there and just put in a lot of hokus pokus?

Hi! PM me if you wish, I will read it! So...I read your post, and the page you linked me too. I'm not totally sure I understood it 100%, so bear with me... I do get that the Feasts are important. That was a new discovery for me, when all this 'sign' business was going on last year, it did...

Free books! Awesome, thanks, I'll check it out!

Maybe, maybe not. Stranger things have happened. Quite often I'll come across some piece of info or evidence from "your side" and it will make me think long and hard. At this point I have eventually answered it in a way that leads me back where I am, but I am far from discounting the possibility...

Actually...no. I'm sorry I jumped on you so hard, that was not very well done by me. If I'd given it much thought, I would have realized that perhaps you weren't in the same bunch as those calling for that sign as an impending return of Christ then and there. You obviously think that that...

Um, yeah. No, it didn't. Sorry. The bible is quite clear on astrology. Trying to use star signs to determine information about human affairs, times, dates, etc, is beyond dodgy, and the bible condemns it. And it was proven, rather spectacularly, last year as the 'sign' came and went and a...

Whoa! Okay...first off, I have NEVER said that I do, or want to, spiritualize everything. That would be totally wrong and against scripture in every possible way. My point all along has been that we must take the books of scripture as they were written. If they are written as history, then we...