Search results

I am just being factual about what other faiths believe. Obviously a Christian is not going to believe faith a non-Christian and find such claims to be false. But we are ethically obligated to be honest and factual about what those beliefs are, regardless of our agreement/disagreement with...

For a point of clarification: LDS Christians 100% believe that the Father, Son, and Spirit are all one God and completely divine.. They are also three different persons. This disagreement with the Athanasian Creed is on the *how* they are one: LDS Christians pointing to unity. Athanasian...

And hence Bob cannot be held culpable for being sinful. He never had any option. It would be like blaming a crocodile for being a crocodile.

I m discussing logic and the viewpoints. If you have a logical viewpoint, please come discuss it with me. But stooping to personal insults is not logic.

Freewill is perquisite for responsibility. A person who lack s freewill cannot be held culpable for any actions. Therefore, under Calvinism, Bob (who lacks freewill) cannot be held responsible for being an atheist or sinning -- he has no choice otherwise!

They still believe that God came to live along with man. Therefore, we cannot say that it is uniquely a Christian claim.

How is a dead body that lacks free will to be blamed for falling to gravity?

The part where Calvinist logic is inconistant. Logically: If Bob lacks freewill, then he is not to be blamed for being an atheist or any sins he commits. If order for Bob to be blamed he must have had freewill. Else it's like blaming a dead body for falling down to gravity.

A person who lacks freewill cannot be blamed for what happens. Therefore, Bob is not be be blamed for being an atheist.

SovereignGrace, if Mike becomes a Christian, did Mike or Mike's will have anything to do with it? No, if you say "no, Mike's will has nothing to do with it because Mike has no will" Now, if Bob becomes a atheist, did Bob or Bob's will have anything to do with it? By that same logic, Bob is...

Again, just trying to be accurate. We can be positive and celebrate Christ and accurate at the same time.

Again, I get the sentimentality of the OP. But it is important to be accurate too.

I'm going to respectfully commpetleyl disagree with you on every point here.

While this sentiment is very touching, it's not the most accurate. Christianity is the only religion that holds to this particular view of sin, repentance, etc, and hence logically is the only faith to address those views. Also faiths do have God being born on Earth as well, but with a...

But did you have the choice to accept or reject that seed of faith God planted in your heart?

Do you believe the only way a person comes to God is if God makes them-- no choice involved in any way?

I'm actually 100% truly interested in having you explain your beliefs so that I can better understand them. I'm just asking to better understand what your beliefs are, no other reason. The reason I was just asking here rather than hunting through this ridiculously long thread and it's many...

Again, that's a valid option. I was just looking for one where a forum was involved with subject X.

Insults are not needed. Here, Ive stated my view here, but I'll happily do so again: I accepted God's gift of salvation and faith. He didn't give it to me because of anything I did, nor did I 'earn' it in any way. Does that make sense to you? No, my choice didn't earn my salvation. But no...

@Preacher4Truth , I would love it if you explained your beliefs to me with your own words and answered some questions so that I may better understand them. Respect of course being a very important thing here.