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Well this conversation has devolved from looking at the text to name-calling and questioning my spirituality and character. Count me out.

Yes, and the ignorant crowds chanted for his crucifixion. Ignorance or scholarship are not what is the focus here. We are talking about people who are Christian and commit their lives to studying his word (not Christ-denying Pharisees). You make a serious error in judgment when you equate...

I think you have confused the Apocrypha with pseudopigrapha. In any event, you are convoluting the subject at hand by introducing issues of canon and apocryphal writings. The simple fact is the story is not found in the book of John for 500 years and when it is found, it is not regularly in...

Quantrill, I don't mean to sound mean here, but you must not be explaining it well enough. You claimed that because he spoke again to "them"... somehow made it clear that this could only fit with the story of the Pharisees and the woman caught in adultery. My point was that "them" simply...

Are you suggesting that the Spirit-inspired Word is incongruent with the way the Spirit teaches us? Surely not. The Holy Spirit does not contradict himself. To suggest that the Bible must be taken out of context at times in order to understand what the Holy Spirit is teaching is akin to...

lukethreesix, I think what you are suggesting is troubling. How can contextual understanding be important "to a point." Are you suggesting there are points when the authors intended meaning and the context of the passage suddenly becomes irrelevant and anything goes? What decides when a...

Quantrill, You are getting overly defensive here. I said, "basically" because there is no one-to-one relationship between Greek and English words and phrases. Yes, Jesus spoke to them (I agree Jesus was speaking to people...not sure where you are going here). How do you think the Greek word...

No problem snr5557. Its been a convoluted discussion that can be hard to track. :) Quantrill, This is what John 8:12 looks like in the Greek... Πάλιν οὖν αὐτοῖς ἐλάλησεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγων· This is a very simple construction that basically says, "Again Jesus spoke saying..." This speaking...

I appreciate everyone's thoughts thus far. I am currently reading a book by GK Beale that has really impacted my understanding of this text and other such texts. Beale argues that this text is given in reference to idolatry. In fact, ancient practices included ceremonies of blessing the...

Quantrill, I was noting the first verse in the following pericope. I do have the apocrypha, but its not part of the canon. Big difference. My point is that when the Canon was formed the texts we have from that time period do not have John 8:1-11.

“And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?” Then I said, “Here I am! Send me.” And he said, “Go, and say to this people: “ ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears...

I (and a host of others) thinks it runs quite smoothly. 7:14 Jesus is speaking to the crowd and in 7:32 we see a break where the Pharisees are sending officers to go arrest Jesus. In 7:37 Jesus is speaking again and in 7:40 the Pharisees are questioning the officers about why he wasn't...

Quantril, It seems you didn't read the quotes from the commentaries I provided. If you had it would have answered your questions about smoothness of the proposed reading. Again, it seems you are back at the "its already there so its supposed to be there." Again, that depends on the Bible (or...

DaDad, You will need to explain this statement more clearly for me. Are you saying that most scholars disagree that the 69 weeks lead to Jesus? I don't know if I would agree with that. However, I do agree that most evangelical scholars today believe the final week is related to the last 7...

DaDad, Well, my view on this prophecy is probably quite different from most. I would argue that the 69 weeks ends at the arrival of Jesus (most commentators agree on this although they debate starting points for the "decree"). However, I do not believe that the final week is postponed until...

Tropical - First, the purpose of that psalm is not to argue that the AV translation done 3,000 years later is the most pure translation of the Bible. The claim is about a foreign from the author's intent as one could imagine. Second, even if this WAS what the verse means (which its not) it...

I agree with Angelina. I would love to participate in the discussion, but comments need to be much more concise. Posts that are 20 pages long with multiple extensive quotes are way too time consuming. Try sharing one thought at a time rather than trying to dump the whole pick-up load on us at...

Why does a musician play? Why does an artist paint? Why does an athlete compete? I think it has something to do with God's own self-expression of his power, brilliance, goodness, creativity and love. What we can be sure of is that it is not because God lacked anything or desired something...

It wasn't there for the first 500 years of the church (over twice as long as the United States of America has been in existence)...therefore it has been added. The tampering was done hundreds of years after John lived. We have tons of documents on John's Gospel that predate the 6th century and...

Again, very convenient. Your Bible is "the Word of God" whereas my Bible has "taken away" from God's Word. How again are you determining "God's Word?" It seems your personal Bible is the standard... because you say so? Again, not very convincing to say "my Bible is God's Word and if yours is...