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This sentence really impacted me...thanks for your wisdom! I'm going to pray on this. I think as much as we 'move forward' in our lives, we can always do more. I feel a little 'still' at the moment....

Well...yes! Even though God has not shared everything in scripture, to say that there is only one layer to the knowledge in it is foolish! Not that I've ever met anyone who's said that, thankfully! I suppose when we think of it, even the topic of Salvation itself is so dense that really, we...

While I don't, perhaps, understand what you mean by 'levels' of truth, I do agree that the idea itself is extremely important. It seems at the moment the idea that we can know truth; from God, from scripture, is under attack. But, well, it is fairly plain, and absolutely essential to our faith...

a trollers got to troll? Can't let go, huh? I know it's hard, but take a deep breath and just tell yourself we've been there, and we aren't going back. No point.

It's a bit interesting to think on, isn't it? I mean...there could be a denomination out there that hits the nail on the head with all it's doctrines. But how are we supposed to know? I think all we can really do is just really do our best to walk in hand with the Spirit, be in the word and be...

Is it possible that the Mark will be a microchip or a phone? Sure. It's possible. Who knows what the AC will ultimately use to enforce his will. Probably many things, I imagine. But narrowing it down beforehand it a bit pointless. At this point in time, it's only tech. Tech that is not, in and...

Ok...both these verses are clearly talking about the substitution. His perfection for our stain in the eyes of God. Does this mean we are functionally perfect in this life? The rest of scripture would disagree. How many verses could we produce talking about sanctification, the putting to death...

I agree with the OP. "Placing the mark on the forehead or the hand" is another way of illustrating that a person's thoughts and actions are controlled or directed by what they follow. In this case, God or the Antichrist.

A Church without spot or blemish? A perfect Church? I don't think I can agree to that, as the bible plainly teaches we will only be perfect once Jesus has returned...not before it. Do we then say he's coming for "the best 'Church'"?...the "most correct 'Church'"? (and here I'm using the term...

Huh...I just saw that I quoted this before, but the answer I typed didn't come up. Not sure what happened! Anyway, just wanted to assure you, that I don't actually see two separate "chosen people's of God". Not at all. The Jews were, in the OT, and my reference to them were in honor of that...

I was always under the impression that the "falling away" would have to be from the actual faith, rather than just those holding some...less than accurate doctrines. Let's face it...when it comes to periphery issues: last days, gifts of the spirit, church hierarchy, Christian living, ministry...

Maybe. But not everyone understands it that way.

Yeah, see, I'm still fuzzy on that myself. Because I think you are sort of right. They see it as a separate "program" to us. But then...they say that the Jews must come to Jesus. So, I don't really follow that completely. Perhaps what they are saying is that once they come to Jesus, that Jesus...

Ah...! Don't believe every definition of Amillennialist out there! We do believe in a Millennium, just not one that is, well, strictly 1000 years long, or physically upon this earth. How do we get that? Many people get squirrel-y because they see this as "spiritualizing", but, it's not really...

Absolutely! That is how I see it as well, and why I think it must be an 'end times' event. When, "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in". I think, perhaps, that it all could happen quite suddenly.

Yes, I agree that is what it means...that the 'elect' (whoever fits in that category...both elect Jew and elect Gentile) has obtained it. But that is not the end of the passage, is it? Verse 7 is speaking about 'now'...in terms of Paul, who is writing it. But then he also looks to the future...

Yes, but what is "the faith"? If you are talking about open-handed doctrines, then I absolutely agree with you. These are open to interpretation and should not lead to any kind of disharmony due to different opinions. But on closed hand doctrines, the ones that make Christianity...well...what...

Why, after several Chapters of "Israel" meaning "Israel", would it then suddenly become "Church"? There would have to be something to suggest this, or tell us this, and as far as I can see, Paul does not indicate it at all. The usage remains the same.

I disagree. Walk through Rom 11 with me and follow the thought all the way through: Romans 11 v 5: So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. This is the 'elect' those Jews who become Christian, then, and now and join the Church. Or perhaps it's best to say the Church join...

Hi brakelite. Well...I think we must take the passage in it's context. Paul says that at present (when Paul was writing) that God's promise to the Jews was upheld because there was a remnant kept. So, that's what we see now...Messianic Jews...those Jews who come to Christ, as you say. But then...