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  1. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Man. Talk about flogging a dead horse. Nice history lesson though. I can't help but notice you talked about everything except those verses by Paul. Romans 14:5-6a:On e person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in...
  2. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    So...Your Church doesn't care if we worship on Sunday? You don't care that worshiping on Sunday is a sign of the Beast? I think this is an important issue to address. Because if you claim you want religious freedom, but really think everyone not under your banner is the enemy, how can I take...
  3. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    You see...here's my question. It's one thing to stand on a stage together and smile at the world and tell them they're working in harmony...blah, blah, blah. But if anyone of those people changed his beliefs or habits, I'd need to some mighty decent proof for it. It's all the 'rage' now, don't...
  4. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Well...I agree with you on those pushing for a Globalist agenda...there are certainly a lot of very powerful people pulling a lot of strings to try and make that happen (boy I bet Trump was a slap in the face). But you lost me when you said "the Papacy is the modern day organization which all...
  5. Naomi25

    Heaven

    Are we talking "heaven" now, or what will, essentially be the "New Heavens and New Earth"? I'm guessing heaven now.... I think the bible teaches that when a believer dies now...before the world ends, we will be with the Lord in 'heaven'. Probably in spirit, while we await the resurrection of our...
  6. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Absolute truth. You make it sound like a foolish thing. What is wrong with seeking truth? God is truth, and if it is his truth, then is it not absolute? What of those who rely just on 'Word' as you call it? Just the callings of the Spirit within. Haven't you seen how often vast differences are...
  7. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Yes...but, we're not Esau. That's the point. Like Jacob, we, although sinners, deserving nothing but punishment for what we've done, have still been shown favor and grace by God. If that doesn't make the story come alive for you, and you need to put yourself in the shoes of the 'vessel elected...
  8. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Well...if this is all true...how you you suppose the RCC will impose themselves upon the American state? Liberalism being what it is today, and form of Christianity has had it's rights dropped to a level lower than what we've seen...well...probably ever, in the history of the nation. Do you...
  9. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    I'm sorry, APAK, but it sounds to me like you are asking me if I've had "Someone and other people reinforced this and hard-wired it into your head"....but you've just admitted that you yourself have clung to an opinion you've had since your limited understanding as a child. Let me flesh this...
  10. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Actually, no...the 'woman' in general is not the symbolic representation of the Church. The 'Bride' is. Other references to women of loose morals...harlots, prostitutes...they all refer to false religions and practices...or people who lead others into those false religious practices. But there...
  11. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Oh. I may have gotten that a little soon had I even the slightest awareness of American history. Dates just slip past me! It's an interesting idea. And I don't have any objection to your symbolic use of 'beast', 'sea' etc. But I do wonder if the US would fit the analogy of the second beast...
  12. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    So, you've decided that those who are not saved, will be wiped from existence. Well...it makes us feel better about it all, doesn't it? It probably makes them feel better about it as well. And it doesn't give us much incentive to want to share the good news. Where is the urgency, do you think...
  13. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    I'm not sure if this will be worth my time, since I doubt anything I post will change your mind...but, here we go: Before we can discuss the Trinity, we must look at Christ's divinity: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with...
  14. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    I appreciate what you are trying to say with all honesty, but you are missing two big points. One: even doing those things, people cannot dismiss certain underlying assumptions they have. It can't be done. You didn't grow up on an Island, or in a vacuum. So even 'taking off your religious...
  15. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Are all bibles equal? No, I don't think so. I wouldn't touch "the message" with a ten foot pole. I recognize what people are trying to do...make it more accessible to people, but that's wrong. God's word IS accessible, because it needs to be read in conjunction with the Spirit. It shouldn't be...
  16. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    :p We all come to scripture without a lens! The views we hold are the ones that naturally jump off the page without any outside influence, without any preconceived notions or starting suppositions. It's just us and the word! :rolleyes: Please have the honesty to admit everyone has some filters...
  17. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Hi Brakelite. I suppose that I cannot argue that the Catholic Church has, in times past, used violence to try and force those around them to concede to their views. It's rather shameful, is it not, that in light of what happened to the Savior they worship, and the apostle they admire, they would...
  18. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Well...I suppose it depends on what you mean. Part of me agrees with this absolutely, but then...context and, well, specificity. Are you talking about religions that decide they must impose their will on others outside of them by force, like Islam? Or are we talking a denomination seeking to...
  19. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Well...you seem to be one of these rare creatures who actually come out and say what they believe. Thanks. You don't see that often...mostly you get hedging. In return, I'll answer honestly and do my best to address each issue. While God clearly desires all to come to him (1Tim 2:3), and...
  20. Naomi25

    What are we really dealing with here?

    Well, I suppose it all depends on how you look at it, doesn't it? Like...why do you guys think us Protestants have just tripped merrily along after the RCC on some of these things? Because we're gullible? Stupid? Blind? Or maybe, it's in the bible. Maybe we believe in the Trinity, not because...