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Jesus is the saving power of God. When Israel says uncle they will be saved.

I was addressing YOUR post, not prophesy. You said this "If it is history- we would have a recorded record of it happening" Notice you did not mention prophesy there? You sais we should have a record of things if they were history. Prove it is future? That is if you can even pick a verse you...

Great so you rest your defence on Jer 24. Then you falsely accuse other posted of lying. Looking at a few scholars talking about that I found this "Jeremiah 24:6 . I will set mine eyes upon them for good. They shall serve the Lord in Babylon, under the ministry of Ezekiel, and under the...

I see. Well all Israel in the end will be saved, of course the bible does say that most of them will have already died by then. This is also called the remnant. So, what are you suggesting, that all the unsaved, unregenerate, unrepented folks in the secular nation of Israel will be saved...

Which verse are you talking about? What prophesy? Not about GOD gathering them there. Of course they will be there. That chapter starts off in history (Egypt etc) and goes on to those in the time of captivity. In the final section it also seems to deal with future. None of that includes God...

If you were doing more we would see it by now, no? If scholars say that things are history, we would need more than for you to suggest otherwise. Especially since the last days prophesies as far as I can tell are all pretty clear. You have records of the taxes Joseph and Mary payed, and who...

Sometimes we look before and after passages to get some sort of context. Some of us even look at the rest of the bible as well! OK, two down then. They gathered their selves. Ha. That is the context. Of course they have to be there to be invaded. That does not mean God gathered them. Some...

The question in this text is when He did that. The commentaries I looked at suggest it was history. So we have a judgment of God that scattered His people due to sins. When? Are you suggesting that this applies to modern day Israel? No, you offered a historical text that commentaries discuss...

Zephaniah 2:1 Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together, O nation not desired; Ha

Looking at this commentary, for example we see that it is viewed as history. " Verse Ezekiel 20:47. I will kindle a fire — I will send war, "and it shall devour every green tree," the most eminent and substantial of the inhabitants; and every dry tree, the lowest and meanest also. The flaming...

He is very interested in Palestinian believers, and all believers, such as Jewish believers. He told us Israel would be there and invaded in the end. His interest did not include ordering terrorist acts such as blowing up a hotel, or etc. That would be man's idea, in this case the men forming or...

Here we go again, chapter and verse? (better not be eze 20 that I posted a commentary on that placed it as history)

That might explain the crossed communication, perhaps it was another poster.

That is the point you need to provide Scripture for. Not that they would be in that place and have gathered there, but that, in this end time, GOD gathered them there. Please do not offer historical references and try to apply them to the last days unless they actually clearly apply. Example...

Hey, I'm still trying to figure out his actual position so far! :)

Try being clear. The thread is about claims Israel was gathered. You offer a verse, I assume it should relate somehow. OK, so you want to claim that is about the endtime. That is pure opinion that is opposed to the commentaries I see. Example " The people left behind in Jerusalem thought that...

There seems to be some sort of crossed wire here. Apparently you think there is something in Rom 11 that relates to 1948? Spell it out.

No. The gathering of a saved Israel by God is clearly prophesied. The nation that gets attacked in the end is not prophesied to have been gathered by God to get there, that I can see in Scripture. Eze 38 talks to enemies of Israel, and tells of the invasion. That does not mean God brought them...

Then so what? Why mention something that has no bearing on the conversation or topic? Why did you mention the blindness thing exactly?

What are you trying to say then? Too bad you failed to post a verse that does then. False. God directing Israel in the past to do what was needed does not mean that He gathered them in 1948. False. Not after they repent. The 'ye' here is believers, not a secular nation if there were still...