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  1. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The word "soul" in the Hebrew is nephesh, which means "animal life". KJV Genesis 2:7 So, through birth by "seed" (procreation) and breathing oxygenated air, both animals and humans have "animal life" only.
  2. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    How can an unsaved person have eternal torment, if they don't have eternal life/existence of any kind??
  3. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    As for what God's word is, let me put it this way: First and foremost God the Father is a spirit. He doesn't have vocal cords as we do, though Jesus did and still does. However, for what He does have, is His Eternal thoughts and ways, which are extremely much higher than our human, earthy...
  4. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Smoke in space is a proven reality, being that of uncondensed atoms of Carbon. Knowledge didn't increase in the days of Moses, so I am sure he was clueless about the gaseous elements of God's creation. Though "Animal Husbandry" was most certainly a study then, "Chemistry 101" was definitely...
  5. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed: he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. > and that judgment was fulfilled in the day of Jesus' first appearing, and not ever anytime earlier. Edit: BTW, to take or administer an action, is...
  6. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, it's called "human intelligence" of "the natural man/mind", aka our fleshly mind**, of which by the way, IS NOT "the mind of Christ", which is deposited within us when we are Born again of God's Holy Spirit. ** Note: "the wisdom of men". 1 Corinthians 2:5.
  7. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    If according to your thinking, suffering in a "religious" concept of Hell is for eternity, then one should know that there is no "day or night" there. As for their torment, it's the "smoke OF" their torment from burning by God's everlasting fire, that rises up forever. Did you forget that "our...
  8. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    BTW, the Hebrew word for soul in Genesis is "nephesh", meaning "animal life". Genesis 7[22] All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. [23] And every living substance [H3351 thing] was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and...
  9. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Where does it say that God breathed "a living soul" into Adam. "The Breath of life" is not a living soul, but if it is, then the animals have it also. Genesis 2:7, 6:17, 7:15,22. Is that what you want to say?
  10. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    No, the first judgment of death has been looming over us for many millennia. There never was any other choice, until the second judgment of the Gift of eternal life was made available to us, through the obedience of Jesus. 1. "Because" of unbelief, "Thou shalt surely die." 2. Because of belief...
  11. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In John 3:18, there are two judgments by God. The first judgment was for eternal death. The second judgment was for eternal life. He that believes in Jesus, "Shall never die". He that does not believe in Jesus, "Shall surely die". Why it is that you want to paint a Grey line between them is...
  12. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Your analogy doesn't reach the ultimate conclusion, which is death. Sure a person can be imprisoned for life, being a form of punish-ing, but eventually during the torment of imprisonment, whereby the freedom of one's natural life is strictly contained, they are only waiting for the natural form...
  13. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Gen.2[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [earth], and breathed [oxygenated air] into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. If you think that Adam was given an eternal soul on the basis of believing that the breath of life is an eternal soul, then...
  14. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    No, only God is an everlasting, all consuming fire. To be literally burned by everlasting fire is to be consumed by God's presence in person. You have a "Religious understanding" of that which you have been told by men, of what THEY think hell is.
  15. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, that is my point. For babies who have died, none of us can speak truthfully of how God extends His Grace upon them and grant them eternal life. We can only hope that He does, but if not, that I accept and understand also. But as for any of them being dead in hell, the grave, that is an...
  16. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    So to you, Hell is an underworld or off world place of eternal existence with torment forever?
  17. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Babies are the issue here, not you. Nor are we talking about babies who grow up.
  18. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Hell is the grave! So, yes they do.
  19. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Of all the little children (babies) that came/come into the world, I only know of two that were born with the Holy Spirit at birth. All others were/are born without the Holy Spirit, and therefore are born as "the natural man", being of mere "flesh and blood".
  20. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    "in addition to that we never once read we are guilty of what Adam did. Like I won’t go to hell because of the choices Adam made." In all actuality, you will die and go to hell (the grave) because of what Adam did! That is God's first judgment. As far as I know, it's still in effect. However...