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  1. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    So, without Christ, you are going to live forever, never to experience God's judgment of death? Flesh and blood cannot inherit the KoG. 1Cor.15[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. As an example...
  2. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    All of Ezekiel 18 is talking about the statutes of the Law, and the righteousnes of the Law, through the Law. The Righteousness of God, by way of faith in Jesus, supercedes the righteousness of the Law. Through keeping the statutes of the Law, sin was only forgiven for a period of one year (by...
  3. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    It would help if you could provide the scripture. Thanks. We're you referencing Luke 18:16?
  4. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Sorry, babies, who are generated by the "seed" of the parents, are born without the Holy Spirit of God, which is the vehicle of God's Righteousness and the Gift of Eternal life.
  5. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I hear you. However, there is much of what has been preached for 2000 years (after the Apostles) that has swayed many generations into doctrinal word blenders of all types, having arguments on all sides. When Jesus said that He didn't come to send peace on the earth, but rather division, it is...
  6. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    In Romans 8, the words "creature", "creation" (G2937) are used making reference to the original human creation, both the saved and the unsaved. Those who walk (live) in their flesh without the Spirit of God within them, as well as those who walk (live) in the Spirit with the Spirt of God within...
  7. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Of course, what I am revealing here, is not any easy task to accept, mainly because that which is religiously popular in your mind, has taken very deep root, due to hundreds of years of reinforced repetition in the preaching of the popular view. So now I ask, is not being born again of the Holy...
  8. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, each and everyone of us are physically born, being spiritually dead to God "already", which is the first death. KJV John 3:18 If a person does not come to God through Faith in Jesus, and then physically dies, they will have died the second death. The fulness of their being will have...
  9. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thank you Marks for the kind words to all here who are participating. I percieve that it truly is a discussion blessed of the Lord.
  10. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Thank you Cassandra. May God bless you, as you hear His spiritual thoughts through His use of our human words.
  11. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, let the spiritually dead, who are physically alive, bury the spiritually dead, who have physically died. Which constitutes the first death and the second death, culminating in such a person's last breath of oxygenated air. They are forever dead, being the recipient in full of "thou shalt...
  12. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I previously quoted two scriptures that no one is making a connection with yet. KJV John 3[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 11[24] Martha saith unto him...
  13. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, to be in sin without having or neglecting the forgiveness of God, is to be spiritually dead to God, as if one had never lived their mortal life. Matt.26[24] The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man...
  14. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The symbolic words, the Tree of Life, is representing that of Jesus, the Co-creator with God the Father, of which are of Eternal spirit. As a result, if A&E had eaten of the Tree of Life first, they would have lived forever, having the Eternal Spirit of God within them, and never would have...
  15. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Yes, that is the typical understanding for the annihilist view, of which I am accepting of. So, if that be the case, what does Jesus mean by this: Luke.9[60] Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
  16. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    I sincerely grasp and understand that if A&E did eat/partake of the Tree of Life first, who is Jesus, they would have received the Gift of Eternal life right then and there, without ever having to go through God's judgment/condemnation of eternal death. However, that was NOT the plan of God...
  17. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Jude.1[7] Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. So then, from whom did that "eternal fire" come from? Did God create it...
  18. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Luke 16[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
  19. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    Did God consume Lot's wife, so that she would not live? And if so, this is the reason: Exod.33[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
  20. Earburner

    The Smoke of their Torment Ascends Forever

    The following quote will put it together for us all, of how my item #2 is God's established judgment for us through His Son: John 11[25] Jesus said unto her, I AM the resurrection, and [I AM] the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and...