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Well APAK. I think you're wrong. I really, really think you are wrong. In how you see it, in how you read it. But...I think we are at a place where I will not change your mind, and you will not change my mind. So...it's probably time we dropped it! I want to thank you for discussing a pretty...

Well...It's not like I can blame you for feeling a little let down...who hasn't been confronted by someone (or many someones) who disappointed or hurt them? But I think what we should keep in mind with Christianity is the hope of change. Jesus Christ is in the business of changing people. Just...

Yes, but, isn't that because Christians are made up of mankind...we who are still flawed? In other words....if we look at the "system" alone....other religions vs Christianity, then what we see is perfect and beautiful. It's then you have fallen men, even though they are forgiven, who come...

APAK, this thread is about such an important and weighty matter. I am sure you know this. That is why I try one last time to make my point. Read back over the last 11 pages. You may believe you have given convincing evidence against the bible verses people have given you, but every single time...

Nice OP. I love this because it is so true. You see all the other religions, all the other people following their rules; bending, twisting, knotting...manipulating. All other religions tell their followers what they must do for their 'god'. Jesus tells us what he has done for us. How wonderful...

You know...I tend to agree with you on the label thing! And yet, as men (or women) we just tend to want them! Why is that? Anyway, the more I think, read, see, pray, etc, the more I reckon I'm a "bitza". You know...bit of this, bit of that...If anyone asked I'd have to say I'd fit mostly into...

Wait....are you saying that Christians who are also Jews will still have to go through the Tribulation? That their Jewish blood trumps their blood bought regenerated heart? Just trying to clarify...ta.

Hi DAH, I see you are fairly new here, so welcome! I'm very happy to discuss this with you, but just wanted to mention beforehand that while I do tend to swing towards understanding the bible teaching in one direction on this subject, I'm by far dogmatic on it. I don't see it as a cause for real...

Okay, firstly, if I have mistook what you said in your previous post on Revelation, I appologise. However, I must question where you form your opinions. Glancing back over this thread, I see that as I initially thought, all you seem to rely on is how you see certain phrases and passages. You...

I am not a Dispensationalist, but I don't actually have a problem with how you guys explain the 'Dispensations' of time. I'm not sure that I agree, but I can see that you make a very strong biblical case for them. In fact I would say that your biblical case for these are clearer and stronger...

Yes, the first part is talking about God the Father, if you read back you will see I said that. It is also speaking about Jesus in the paragraph, the the initial reference to the "Alpha and the Omega"..."the beginning and the end" is to God the Father. There is no doubt...but that is what makes...

I know this was a reply to brakelite, but I felt I needed to say something about it. Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says...

I've heard that John wept because the scroll held God's plan...as Amadaus suggested. But that plan does not just hold "smackdown" for all the wrongdoing in the world, it holds the fulfillment of Christ's work. Imagine being John, having lived beside Christ for those three years, growing to love...

I have to completely disagree with here. For most of this post, actually, but I suppose we'll get to that. What does the bible teach about "Idolatry" if it is not loving something other than the Creator God? And I'm sorry, the bible calls us to love Jesus. How can we not? How can putting our...

Hi APAK, sorry it's taken me some time to get back to you, my sister is visiting and I don't have much time to be at a computer this week! I regards to your first point, I'd have to say that we're not talking about how common the phrase is, and how often people use it to refer to, or identify...

Ok...a lot of points in that one. I probably won't get to cover them all, and will try and just sum... Very briefly about my 1st commandment point: the 1st commandment is: "You shall have no gods before me". This fits with God being a jealous God, and my point in saying that he claims to be...

I may still be misunderstanding you here...but... What does today's usage of "I AM" have to do with the proposed divinity behind the claim? When the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the bush, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then he said, “Do not come...

Ok. Thanks for breaking it down into smaller conversations, that's much better than trying to reply to long, multi-pointed ones! So...if I can understand your point correctly, you're saying that due to the ambiguous nature of translations, we cannot be sure that Jesus' "I AM" statement holds the...

This is certainly true, but just like truth falls over without love, love becomes empty if we devoid it of God's truth. God calls us to both because it's only with both that they stand and are like him...emulating him. And maybe you cannot get love by attending church or reading the bible...

Ok. I respect all that. I can't get into a long post right now, but let me just ask you about this: It is one thing to explain away the "I am" statements, or the greetings of Paul, or the "Father and I are one" statement, or the real reasons the Jews attempted to stone Jesus. But what about...