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APAK. I have read your OP, and your replies to the answers of others. And it seems to me that you have it "all sorted". In that...it doesn't really matter what verses we post or show that say that Christ is, in fact, God. You have pre-empted that by saying that lies have been fabricated right...

Oh brother. Are you seriously telling me you don't get the concept of the different versions? How many ways would the English language allow me to say that I think you are dead wrong? Wrong: Untrue, amiss, awry, bad, false, erroneous, mistaken, misguided, unsound, inaccurate, in error, not...

Well...every conversation has a good pinch of opinion tossed in, doesn't it, even ones about truth and love? How people interpret what is truth, or how to carry out loving actions sort of comes down to opinion. As Christians I think we try and have both scripture and the Holy Spirit guide our...

Well...thank you for this bit of insight into him. It helps a little. But as well as asking people like me to have patience with him (which is fair enough), I hope you also, are counseling him to be a little more circumspect on how he vocalizes his past experiences and his cautions to people...

Thanks for your reply APAK. I understand that people could, quite plausibly, hold a grudge because of bad experiences they've had as they've walked along the way. Who hasn't, in some way, I suppose. We are, after all, surrounded by sinful people. Even Christians aren't perfect...just forgiven...

I see what you are saying, and I appreciate what you are trying to get across. But here's what I see the bible saying. Our glass is already grimy. Doesn't matter where you are at...in man's religion, or by yourself, whatever. That's your starting point. When you recognize your sin and know you...

Oh, I completely agree that any temple built now, and any sacrifice offered now is complete blasphemy against God and against Christ's sacrifice. But as I said, I can see with my own eyes, as well as knowing scripture, what God has planned, and am watching the beginning of such plans. Of course...

But it's all still in God's hand. Even the 'evil and darkness'. Even Satan will end up working God's will....even as he did by having Christ crucified. I don't think it matters why (or if) a third temple is built. Will it matter that it will ultimately be for the Antichrist? The Antichrist will...

Yes, I think we can all agree on this. The point I'm trying to make that mjrhealth refuses to see or acknowledge, is that this...state, or...union...with the body of Christ...makes us the "church". The word "church" is just the term the bible uses. We have to have a word to use, or else when...

Do you doubt that I am a part of the Church because I have called it "church", or because I have said so? You think you so easily know the state of my soul? My heart? Who owns me? I see only two options here. You are foolishly attached or obsessed with the notion of the word "church" and what...

No...but for them to build a temple, they have to be there. Which they are. You cannot say "it's only prophetic at the second the first temple stone is laid". No...prophecies are like bricks in a road. From Abraham to King David to Jesus. It wasn't suddenly "ta da! Here's Jesus!" No...we saw the...

Pure semantics. You are attempting to play with words to try and get your point across. But you can't because your point is faulty. I am part of the Church. We gather together. We belong to Christ, and are found in him. He purchased us. Go around and around if you want.

Look, I may be misunderstanding the man big time, in which case, I am sorry, it's on me and my faulty understanding. And sure, that's been known to happen plenty. But from where I sit, this guy is saying that we shouldn't be gathering together because pretty much every place that calls...

So we agree that "Church" (ἐκκλησίαν) means: "an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers". Or, if you like, "people called out from the world and to God". So...on my part...an apparently anyone else who uses words to describe thoughts, images and ideas...

Okay, firstly, that was an extremely difficult post to follow. Punctuation is your friend. And secondly...if you go around calling the church a 'harlot', well then of course it has to do with people! :rolleyes: See below. The Church is the people...the people are the Church! Surely you know...

The problems is, he may be "trying to", but that's not what's coming out. He's coming out with statements that accuse pretty much everyone with ill intentions. Which is problematic, as he's not God and he can't know everyone's hearts/minds/intentions. Trouble comes when you label all Churches...

You've said this quite well, and it's a point you may want to consider. You throw broad terms and accusations around, condemning people you don't know. That, I believe, is only something God can know, and only something he can do. This is fair enough. There are plenty who do this, and it is...

But hang on...follow me here. If it's God's plan to have unbelieving Israel back in her land...to rebuild a temple. To mistakenly follow the Antichrist, to then be persecuted for being Jews, then see God miraculously intervene and destroy her enemies. And then come to Jesus in record numbers...

So you know, where you sit, if any or every Pastor has a genuine call or not? You're happy to make that call? Because you are. And you're calling them all harlots. "Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. 11 You may be sure that...

I don't think what you are saying makes sense at all. Rationally, or biblically. Sorry. To start with, you make sweeping statements about every single gathering of the the 'church'. How on earth could you possibly know if they are following a man (the person they've propped up the front), or if...