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  1. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    If you don't do works of faith, if you do what you doubt, you are "condemned", not justified (Ro 14:5,23), because "God's righteousness" is only "revealed from faith to faith" (Ro 1:5,16,17). This is why James says Abraham was "justified by works [of faith]".
  2. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yes, we must be born again. So? God has already set the precedent that He has disinherited His children before (Dt 32:5; Hos 1). Christ says we must abide. We've discussed this before. It isn't just believing one time. It's maintaining belief, and it's maintaining loving others--that is how...
  3. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Paul often refers to faith as a race. If Paul is "disqualified" from the "race" of faith, it means he's in "unbelief", and he's "cut off" (Ro 11:17-23)!
  4. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Again, according to you, then, we would have to read the immorality and idolatry mentioned in 1 Co 10 as having no effect upon salvation, but we read in 1 Co 6 that the immoral and idolatrous have no inheritance in God's Kingdom, so, no, that isn't a sound exegesis. Also, the "wreath' Paul...
  5. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    No, God doesn't contradict Himself, they're both true. He has given us the gift of eternal life, so we have it, and we retain it by remaining in Christ by obeying Christ's commands (believe on the Name of God's Son and love one another).
  6. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I already agreed with you on your passage, so there's no need to tell you why I think you're wrong, but I said I ALSO agree with other passages that say we will be repaid eternal life, or harvest eternal life, if we do good deeds, and I quoted the passages (Ro 2:6-16; Gal 6:6-10).
  7. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Incorrect, I literally just AGREED with you on the passage you cited, that we HAVE eternal life, but added that I ALSO believe other passages on the topic--that we are told we will be repaid with eternal life, that we will harvest eternal life, if we do good. Why would I dissect the passage you...
  8. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yep, and after salvation if you live sinfully you don't inherit God's Kingdom but fall under God's wrath and forfeit the Promise (1 Co 9:26-1 Co 10).
  9. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yeah, I started the discussion. I expect to find either agreement or disagreement. Isn't that the purpose of discussion?
  10. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I'm discussing. I expect disagreement. I will not spend my time, however, sifting through gigantic posts to FIGURE OUT what they're saying--i don't do that to anyone else, so I don't expect it to be done to me--I expect to find myself being quoted, and then a clear agreement or disagreement, and...
  11. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yeah, as with others who raised the issue of justification, you seem to find a mutual exclusivity between Biblical doctrines, whereas I seek to believe it all: we both already have eternal life, and we are told to "lay hold on the eternal life to which you have been called", and we're told we...
  12. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I'm not here asking anyone questions (it seems like your post is "informative"), I'm telling you all about what I read. If you disagree with anything I've said, I invite you to quote those statements and bring proofs I erred. I do apologize, but I don't see myself sifting through your...
  13. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Actions you take AFTER being saved can result in your falling under God's wrath according to 1 Co 9:26-1 Co 10. This is, again, why abiding in Him--by obeying His Commands 1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--is a matter of eternal life, because branches which do not...
  14. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    The eternal life is only found "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11). Therefore, only those who abide in Christ are eligible for receiving the eternal life/Spirit (1 Jn 3:23,24). Only those who obey Christ--1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--can abide in Christ. Some Christians do...
  15. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yeah, again : branches that don't abide don't bear fruit and are thrown in the fire, but you say abiding and bearing fruit isn't an issue of salvation, so you're saying that being thrown in the fire isn't a salvific issue. If being thrown in the fire isn't a salvific issue what can be!? To be...
  16. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    You haven't disproven anything, you've gone on tangents. The only times you've directly addressed my points, you've been soundly disproven, like the post you just made denying that abiding in Christ is an issue of eternal life.
  17. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Disagree however much as you want, but QUOTE ME and then get into specifics on what I've said, don't just go on tangents, and "high fiving" other users, suppressing the information I've set forth.
  18. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    If you don't abide in Christ, you aren't supplied with the Spirit (1 Jn 3;23,24), because the eternal life/Spirit is only located "in His Son" (1 Jn 5:11). If you want to call not having eternal life "not an issue of salvation", anyone will be able to recognize you don't have a clue.
  19. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Nah, anyone can read what you have done. You don't quote me, and then you proceed to go off on a tangent not addressing specific claims I've made--that's why I want you to quote me, so we can know you are addressing my claims head-on!
  20. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I'm asking you to interact with what I've stated. If you disprove it, I'll accept it; when you're disproven, as you always are, you go off on a tangent. I'm trying to stop all the irrelevant tangents, because they suppress the information. You all love to bury the truth.