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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    The message about Christ, the Gospel is offered/declared to every man, and as you say, faith is GIVEN according to grace to whosoever believes. Atonement of man is limited because not all have faith. 2 Thessalonians 3:2 (KJV) And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    YES! Christ came to save HIS PEOPLE from their sins! Who are HIS PEOPLE? Whosoever is of faith in Him. Since faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word (Gospel) preachers are sent out with the message of the Gospel of Christ, offering the gift of life through Christ to whosoever...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    All of creation was subjected to the curse of sin, which is death. Every living thing dies because of the sin mankind brought into creation. By His atoning, sacrificial blood and resurrection Christ defeated ALL sin, and death. If the physical world is not part of His propitiation, why would...
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    Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)

    Christ is the propitiation for the whole world, and He is the Saviour of all who believe!
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    Are only 144,000 saved? (Rev 14:1)

    The 144,000 which I do not believe a literal number but symbolizes the remnant from Old Covenant Israel saved according to grace through faith. Compare that to the innumerable multitude from throughout the whole world and we began to understand the great significance of the first advent of...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    To preach, declare, speak the Gospel is to offer, present, bring forth the message about Christ. Through the message (Gospel) God will eternally save whosoever believes according to grace through faith, and that the gift (salvation) of God that no man may boast.
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Preaching is proclaiming the Gospel, which is a message about Christ. It is NOT the message about Christ that saves man, it is by grace through faith that saves the man/woman that believes the message about Christ, i.e. the Gospel offered to mankind through preaching. Christ made Himself an...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    The message about Christ; the Gospel is freely OFFERED to all people without exception. And whosoever believes the Gospel according to grace through faith is saved through Him. This is from the Holy Scriptures, and does not originate with John Calvin, though he believed the Scriptures teaching...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    This is true! And whosoever believes in Him already possesses everlasting life through Him. Those who remain in darkness and unbelief, according to the Scriptures are condemned already because they did not believe! Therefore Scripture further says "Ye shall die in your sins". John 8:24...
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Christ is the propitiation (atonement) for ALL sin! He is the Saviour of ALL who believe in Him. His atoning blood will have no effect upon ALL WHO remain in unbelief!
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    LIMITED ATONEMENT: US vs THEM (the L of TULIP)

    Paul writes Christ is the propitiation through faith in His blood. Romans 3:25 (KJV) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; How can we reconcile Christ being...
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    If you believe that you really need to examine your heart, Patrick! Those cast into the lake of fire are cast into the second death which is never ending.
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    NO! For ALL mankind WHO BELIEVE! His blood was not shed to save those who die in unbelief!
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    Because Christ was lifted up on the cross, salvation came to every nation of the world. And all who believe, whether Jew or Gentile, shall be saved through His atoning blood. Stop reading out of context and forcing contradiction into the Word!
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    No Patrick! It's not that any Scripture is untrue, it is your understanding of so many verses of Scripture out of context and contradictory that is untrue! You don't seem to understand you are not trying to help anyone to see truth! You are attempting to convince them to believe the same lie...
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    I don't see a rejection of Scripture, rather a rejection of your understanding and forced contradiction into Scripture!
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    Do you really deny that IN CHRIST we are sons/daughters of the Father in heaven? Both translations say the same thing. That is IN CHRIST we are of our Father in heaven.
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    Exactly! How can it be brief when Scripture tells us being cast into the lake of fire is the SECOND DEATH for all who die in unbelief.
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    No verse of Scripture is untrue! It is only when you try to force your unbiblical doctrine into the Bible that you make it appear to be untrue. You buy into the lie of the devil when he said man would not die through sin, but would instead become as a god.
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    I believe that gay people have as much of a "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

    Christ is speaking of being lifted up on the CROSS! By giving His life for atonement of sin, He made a way for all who believe Him to be saved. Not all without exception but all without distinction; people from every nation of the world. John 12:31-33 (KJV) Now is the judgment of this...